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Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:59 pm
by kootenay joe
Rob, what is the "16 spear" ?
A 2016 pattern #15, 3 1/2" ?
kj

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:14 pm
by Railsplitter
robbobus wrote:15394547352787208004639800401539.jpg What's the deal wiith all the Bay's?
I'm not sure about now since KSF has moved from Escanaba to Tennessee but this map hints at where the Little Bay and Big Bay names came from. It probably has something to do with that. Maybe they scheduled the Harrison Bays before the plans to move were finalized. Must be a Harrison Bay near Escanaba too.

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:42 pm
by robbobus
kootenay joe wrote:Rob, what is the "16 spear" ?
A 2016 pattern #15, 3 1/2" ?
kj
I was referring to the 2016 model GEC 14 spear blade pictured along the NW HB. Haven't received any of the new clip blade 14s yet.

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:14 pm
by Drukai
I think Harrison Bay is something a long the lines of Native land in Tennessee, I have always liked the idea around how they name their knives. I think the Freemont is a famous St. In Portland. Lincoln Jack. KSF when in Michigan was located on Lincoln Hwy.

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:33 pm
by Railsplitter
Drukai wrote:I think Harrison Bay is something a long the lines of Native land in Tennessee, I have always liked the idea around how they name their knives. I think the Freemont is a famous St. In Portland. Lincoln Jack. KSF when in Michigan was located on Lincoln Hwy.
I believe you are correct. I looked it up on Google Maps and the current KSF location is about 15 miles from Harrison Bay State Park. There is also a Harrison Bay Road between the Park and KSF.

Thanks for the info. ::tu::

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:54 am
by kootenay joe
With the Northwoods Harrison Bay in one hand and a # 14 GEC in the other hand, is there a noticeable difference in feel, real or imagined ?
I want the Northwoods brand to be special but it seems to be headed in the opposite direction by being more similar to regular run GEC's.
kj

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:30 pm
by robbobus
I would say they do have their own flavour. The Northwoods seems more rugged, owing to less swaging and the heat treat scale. The GEC branded knife is more refined. I like them both, I have a couple of the GEC 14s as users and quite like them, particularly the 2 blade. Can't wait for Lyle's version.

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:16 pm
by kootenay joe
Well after numerous posts about the Harrison Bay being rather plain and ordinary for a brand intending to be 'upscale',
i bid on a Kudu bone version on ebay. It had 32 watchers and i put in a 'low ball' snipe just in case the 32 decided to not bid.
"Low ball" because i don't mind paying a little over the original price of $199 but i will not bid high enough to 'feed the flipper'.
And, i won at $220 and it looks like very nice kudu. After ebay & PP fees, i think the seller broke even.
The internet speed in my area is slow enough that i cannot score in the KSF scramble so the secondary market is my only option and this time it worked out just fine (assuming i get the knife).
kj

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:42 pm
by kootenay joe
I now have this Northwoods H.Bay knife. The kudu is translucent and looks more like an acrylic than bone.
This knife originally sold for $200 which is $100 more than the regular run #14's. It is not worth it. The knife is no better than the regular GEC #14.
I got sucked in by the Northwoods past history of being a step up from regular GEC's. I feel annoyed at KSF for charging such an excessive price.
Northwoods is becoming more of a scam money grab than a knife worthy of it's price.
If the next Northwoods offering is also just a tweaked regular GEC for double the money then this brand will truly be dead as an upscale knife.
Note: there is nothing wrong with my kudu Harrison Bay. It is on par with the regular #14's which are excellent and cost half of the Harrison Bay.
I am disappointed.
kj
edit to add: i also just received my 2 blade #14 ($100) and i love it. Excellent deal.

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:54 am
by kootenay joe
Here are my pictures of this Harrison Bay with "Kudu bone" handles. The kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros) is a woodland antelope found throughout eastern and southern Africa. And we all know what "bone" is.
In the last 2-3 years we have seen giraffe bone & camel bone knife handles so bone from another African animal is not too surprising. But "Kudu bone" is a surprise because it is not bone. SURPRISE: it is acrylic !
I did not see anything on the KSF Northwoods pages that says anything about kudu bone not being bone. This is deceptive marketing and up to this point i have always seen KSF as being a most honest & honorable business so i am shocked and disappointed. I also feel cheated because the price was $200, $60 more than the other handles. I would not have spent this amount of money had i known that the handles are 100% synthetic.
The surface of the handles on this knife has scratches and a few small pits. Is this typical for acrylic handles ?
I got this one on ebay so it is not returnable to KSF.
kj

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:04 pm
by big monk
kootenay joe wrote:Here are my pictures of this Harrison Bay with "Kudu bone" handles. The kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros) is a woodland antelope found throughout eastern and southern Africa. And we all know what "bone" is.
In the last 2-3 years we have seen giraffe bone & camel bone knife handles so bone from another African animal is not too surprising. But "Kudu bone" is a surprise because it is not bone. SURPRISE: it is acrylic !
I did not see anything on the KSF Northwoods pages that says anything about kudu bone not being bone. This is deceptive marketing and up to this point i have always seen KSF as being a most honest & honorable business so i am shocked and disappointed. I also feel cheated because the price was $200, $60 more than the other handles. I would not have spent this amount of money had i known that the handles are 100% synthetic.
The surface of the handles on this knife has scratches and a few small pits. Is this typical for acrylic handles ?
I got this one on ebay so it is not returnable to KSF.
kj
Sorry you didn't get what you expected and I don't have a dog in this race but,

From the KSF site -- Kudu Bone ( porous bone filled with resin. Color and surface of the material will vary )

https://www.knivesshipfree.com/northwoo ... rison-bay/

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:19 pm
by kootenay joe
Thanks monk, i did not see that. What i do see is the knife i received and it shows no evidence of any bone when examined with a 9x loupe.
I don't know what "porous bone" is. Some bones are denser than others and large ungulate/antelope animals have dense bones because there is a lot of stress(weight) on their leg bones.
Even if i had read the description i would still have expected handles to be mostly bone. This one looks to be all acrylic. I can see the underlying liners !
No doubt KSF is quoting description from the supplier of this material, the supplier is quoting the source. I would like to know how the bone becomes 'porous' and how much of the result is acrylic.
I'm posting the KSF picture showing the handle options. Look at the kudu one, top knife. It does look like bone or even like some mammoth. Now look at my knife. They are not the same material. Something deceptive is going on here.
kj

EDIT: i don't know why the 2 pictures do not show up here ? I post lots of pics. Never had this happen before.
To check what i am describing, click on KSF link given by big monk above and then look at my pics above. I tried to put those 2 pics in this post.

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:03 pm
by gsmith7158
Yeah! Why can't we have some kudu horn instead of that cheap looking leg bone anyway. ::shrug::

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:53 pm
by kootenay joe
Greg do you have a 'kudu bone' knife ? Looking at the pics i posted above, can you see any bone ? Mine does not look to be of the same material as that shown in the KSF group Harrison Bay picture.
I am just trying to understand how the acrylic handles on my H.B. are related to the kudu bone in the group picture. I am hoping someone here is able to explain how both are the same material.
kj

Re: Northwoods Harrison Bay

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:01 pm
by big monk
just for comparison -- I found some more photos of the ""Kudu Bone "" knives for sale on ebay -- all seem to have a look of their own** :)

interesting handle material, that maybe needed the resin to fill in the grooves or gaps ??? ::shrug::