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OLDE CUTLER wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:20 pm I have been using the same Lansky sharpener since 1982. Obviously the original stones wore out and have been replaced with diamond Lansky stones. It has always worked great for me and produces a great edge with minimum effort. I would never even consider a powered sharpener. I have seen too many knives ruined by the "too much too fast" mentality.
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Mumbleypeg wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:31 pm For my purposes my thumb tells me everything I need to know about the edge.
Same here.
OLDE CUTLER wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:20 pm I would never even consider a powered sharpener. I have seen too many knives ruined by the "too much too fast" mentality.
A powered sharpener seems like cheating to me...and one or other U.S. Navy publication informally defined cheating as "defeating the purpose of."

My research continues. Thanks to all for the continuing information, insight, and enlightenment!
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Dan,

Did you make a decision on which sharpening device to purchase?

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Working Edge wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:39 am Did you make a decision on which sharpening device to purchase?
Sure did. I've purchased and received one of those Tri-Hone systems, with stones that are about 8x1.5." I haven't yet put it to use, but it's ready for when the need arises.

Yesterday I took a Victorinox Rally (with a blade that was so dull it couldn't cut paracord) and ran it through a couple of Victorinox pull-through sharpeners. It now cuts better, but not perfectly, and the edge is raggedy. It's possible (likely?) that I was doing something incorrectly, but thus far, those pull-through sharpeners have not impressed me.

Purchasing a more expensive system is still a possibility down the road.
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Dan In MI wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 6:28 am
Working Edge wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:39 am Did you make a decision on which sharpening device to purchase?
Sure did. I've purchased and received one of those Tri-Hone systems, with stones that are about 8x1.5." I haven't yet put it to use, but it's ready for when the need arises.

Yesterday I took a Victorinox Rally (with a blade that was so dull it couldn't cut paracord) and ran it through a couple of Victorinox pull-through sharpeners. It now cuts better, but not perfectly, and the edge is raggedy. It's possible (likely?) that I was doing something incorrectly, but thus far, those pull-through sharpeners have not impressed me.

Purchasing a more expensive system is still a possibility down the road.
Dan,

The Tri-Hone is a great choice, and once you get the hang of freehand sharpening, that setup will serve you well.

Part of the beauty of learning freehanding is that you are no longer dependent upon the accuracies and inaccuracies of a guided system to determine the results of your sharpening effort, it's all on you, lol...!!

Pull-through sharpeners, on the ceramic side, don't do damage to an edge, but on the carbide side, they certainly damage an edge by tearing and deforming the steel along the length of the edge instead of honing steel to an apex, leaving the ragged edge you mentioned. The "sharpness" created is really only just shards of steel which have been left behind by the carbide cutters.
Hope this helps..!
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Working Edge wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:43 pm Pull-through sharpeners, on the ceramic side, don't do damage to an edge, but on the carbide side, they certainly damage an edge by tearing and deforming the steel along the length of the edge instead of honing steel to an apex, leaving the ragged edge you mentioned.
That being the case, I'm glad the knife I ran through those sharpeners is horrendous to look at and only cost me about $1.65 out-the-door! Now I have a perfect excuse to take it to the Tri-Hone.

As an aside, I'm thinking the CopperLock that I mentioned in this topic's initial post was intentionally chisel-ground. If so, I'm not going to try to re-profile it.
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Dan In MI wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 pm
Working Edge wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 2:43 pm Pull-through sharpeners, on the ceramic side, don't do damage to an edge, but on the carbide side, they certainly damage an edge by tearing and deforming the steel along the length of the edge instead of honing steel to an apex, leaving the ragged edge you mentioned.
That being the case, I'm glad the knife I ran through those sharpeners is horrendous to look at and only cost me about $1.65 out-the-door! Now I have a perfect excuse to take it to the Tri-Hone.

As an aside, I'm thinking the CopperLock that I mentioned in this topic's initial post was intentionally chisel-ground. If so, I'm not going to try to re-profile it.
Rarely do I change the factory bevel angle(s) unless there's a compelling reason to do so, such reason usually being a severely off-center grind...
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The CopperLock will retain its bevel angles for now. I'll have to confirm that it was ground as intended.
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Yessir...makes sense..!!! ::nod::

I looked up the CopperLock, that's a beautiful knife, Dan..!

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Apart from a jewelers loupe, another item that comes in handy, especially for guided systems is a digital angle finder, i don't trust some of the angle markings on these kits, might be close, but not accurate. I can get a magnetic base digital angle/protractor finder for the equivalent of $15US including postage, and they are really handy to have in your tool box for other projects around the house. Have a good week everyone. :)
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cudgee wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:52 am Apart from a jewelers loupe, another item that comes in handy, especially for guided systems is a digital angle finder, i don't trust some of the angle markings on these kits, might be close, but not accurate. I can get a magnetic base digital angle/protractor finder for the equivalent of $15US including postage, and they are really handy to have in your tool box for other projects around the house. Have a good week everyone. :)
I want to purchase a digital angle finder, such as the Angle Cube, as well.
That would be a handy tool for setting the table saw blade angle, in addition to the sharpening kit.
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Working Edge wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:46 pm
cudgee wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:52 am Apart from a jewelers loupe, another item that comes in handy, especially for guided systems is a digital angle finder, i don't trust some of the angle markings on these kits, might be close, but not accurate. I can get a magnetic base digital angle/protractor finder for the equivalent of $15US including postage, and they are really handy to have in your tool box for other projects around the house. Have a good week everyone. :)
I want to purchase a digital angle finder, such as the Angle Cube, as well.
That would be a handy tool for setting the table saw blade angle, in addition to the sharpening kit.
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Mark, this is the one i have, it only cost me $15US dollars on Ebay including delivery and runs on 2 AAA batteries. Is a handy thing to have for many uses. It has a magnetic base so you can rest it on metal surfaces hands free. ::tu::
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cudgee wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 8:30 pm
Working Edge wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:46 pm
cudgee wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 6:52 am Apart from a jewelers loupe, another item that comes in handy, especially for guided systems is a digital angle finder, i don't trust some of the angle markings on these kits, might be close, but not accurate. I can get a magnetic base digital angle/protractor finder for the equivalent of $15US including postage, and they are really handy to have in your tool box for other projects around the house. Have a good week everyone. :)
I want to purchase a digital angle finder, such as the Angle Cube, as well.
That would be a handy tool for setting the table saw blade angle, in addition to the sharpening kit.
Mark
Mark, this is the one i have, it only cost me $15US dollars on Ebay including delivery and runs on 2 AAA batteries. Is a handy thing to have for many uses. It has a magnetic base so you can rest it on metal surfaces hands free. ::tu::

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Wanted to try the wicked Edge style of sharpening { I'm a sharpening junkie } but was not going to spend an large chunk of cash just to try out the idea of how they work. Would be like buying a car without test driving it. Found one online, a cheap knock off made in China, did not like it at first, but after working out all it's little nuance's really like it. And even with the cheap diamond stones, it gets knives really sharp. I have spent more than i intended, but now i have a really solid sharpening unit, and have worked out a way to use the stones and strops i already have. Some photos, always welcome input. Have a good weekend everyone. ::tu::
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