I know it is probably obvious, but even if a knife has a certificate of authenticity it doesn't mean it's legitimate

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I know it is probably obvious, but even if a knife has a certificate of authenticity it doesn't mean it's legitimate

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A seller on this site is selling certificates of authenticity for Case Classics. There are legitimate reasons you would want one of course. I just want to warn you guys/gals that even though a knife has a certificate of authenticity it doesn't mean it's real. Here's a link to the listing https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... -no-knife-. Yet again, I am not trying to call out the seller, there are legitimate reasons someone would want a certificate of authenticity. I just want people to know these certificates are out there, and some unsavory characters may use them to try to pass off a fake knife as a real one.
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I could print you up a couple 1000 this afternoon. ::hmm::
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Kinda defeats the purpose of a COA, doesn't it??
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Yep !
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Airborne 1 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:36 pm I could print you up a couple 1000 this afternoon. ::hmm::
Haha, I'm good ::groove::.
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edge213 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:58 pm Kinda defeats the purpose of a COA, doesn't it??
Yeah it really does haha :D.
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AHA!!!! I have the ANSWER!!!

From now on, every time a knife is sold with a Certificate of Authenticity, we need to demand a separate Certificate of Authenticity to verify that the Certificate of Authenticity for the knife is indeed a genuine Certificate of Authenticity.

So there...glad I was able to solve this problem.
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knifeaholic wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:49 pm AHA!!!! I have the ANSWER!!!

From now on, every time a knife is sold with a Certificate of Authenticity, we need to demand a separate Certificate of Authenticity to verify that the Certificate of Authenticity for the knife is indeed a genuine Certificate of Authenticity.

So there...glad I was able to solve this problem.
And if that doesn't work we could hold a meeting about why the COA's aren't legit, but before that we'd need to have a meeting about the meeting were having about the COA's not being legit..... , get it? 8)
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knifeaholic wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:49 pm AHA!!!! I have the ANSWER!!!

From now on, every time a knife is sold with a Certificate of Authenticity, we need to demand a separate Certificate of Authenticity to verify that the Certificate of Authenticity for the knife is indeed a genuine Certificate of Authenticity.

So there...glad I was able to solve this problem.
Now all we need is a Certificate of Authenticity, to verify that the Certificate of Authenticity that verifies the Certificate of Authenticity is legitimate haha :mrgreen:.
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Madmarco wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:17 am
knifeaholic wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:49 pm AHA!!!! I have the ANSWER!!!

From now on, every time a knife is sold with a Certificate of Authenticity, we need to demand a separate Certificate of Authenticity to verify that the Certificate of Authenticity for the knife is indeed a genuine Certificate of Authenticity.

So there...glad I was able to solve this problem.
And if that doesn't work we could hold a meeting about why the COA's aren't legit, but before that we'd need to have a meeting about the meeting were having about the COA's not being legit..... , get it? 8)
That's a good idea to Marco haha :D.
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I saw the seller’s screen name and remembered seeing it on a different site. Not here to claim it is the same person, but it’s a strange coincidence nonetheless. The other site listed what I think is a pathetic fake Case Tested copperhead. Bad scales, awful shield, see for yourselves.....

https://www.etsy.com/listing/855251393/ ... ng_details
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TritonJ wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 1:23 am I saw the seller’s screen name and remembered seeing it on a different site. Not here to claim it is the same person, but it’s a strange coincidence nonetheless. The other site listed what I think is a pathetic fake Case Tested copperhead. Bad scales, awful shield, see for yourselves.....

https://www.etsy.com/listing/855251393/ ... ng_details
Hmmm, that is interesting. That knife definitely looks fake. I feel like it may very well be the same person.Thank you for bringing this to light. You should really look at his profile on this site to see if he is selling fakes. I myself can spot a really bad fake pretty quickly but as far as anything more than that goes I have to research tang stamps, shields, etc a bit.
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knifeaholic wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:49 pm AHA!!!! I have the ANSWER!!!

From now on, every time a knife is sold with a Certificate of Authenticity, we need to demand a separate Certificate of Authenticity to verify that the Certificate of Authenticity for the knife is indeed a genuine Certificate of Authenticity.

So there...glad I was able to solve this problem.
You got it Steve.
I've often wondered about this practice. On the Case Collectors Forum guys frequently ask for copies of a COA.
I always thought it was strange.
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TritonJ wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 1:23 am I saw the seller’s screen name and remembered seeing it on a different site. Not here to claim it is the same person, but it’s a strange coincidence nonetheless. The other site listed what I think is a pathetic fake Case Tested copperhead. Bad scales, awful shield, see for yourselves.....

https://www.etsy.com/listing/855251393/ ... ng_details
Also, I expected that knife to have been posted on eBay, not Etsy haha :D. Etsy is such an odd place to sell knives.
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I always thought COAs should be printed on toilet paper, that way they would be good for something.
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OLDE CUTLER wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:11 am I always thought COAs should be printed on toilet paper, that way they would be good for something.
Haha :mrgreen:.
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Yet another scheme (or is it scam?) from the mind of Jim Parker. ::uc::

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Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:57 am Yet another scheme (or is it scam?) from the mind of Jim Parker. ::uc::

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TritonJ wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 1:23 am I saw the seller’s screen name and remembered seeing it on a different site. Not here to claim it is the same person, but it’s a strange coincidence nonetheless. The other site listed what I think is a pathetic fake Case Tested copperhead. Bad scales, awful shield, see for yourselves.....

https://www.etsy.com/listing/855251393/ ... ng_details
I deleted what I wrote here previously because I was able to find a knife similar to the one below.
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MechanicalBear wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:01 am
Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:57 am Yet another scheme (or is it scam?) from the mind of Jim Parker. ::uc::

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No "may be" about it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the COA concept originated with the Case Classics, which were a Parker creation. The worthless pieces of paper came with them, and some people still want them. Sort of like having an original box I guess, except anyone with a copier or printer can create a COA.

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Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:43 am
MechanicalBear wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:01 am
Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:57 am Yet another scheme (or is it scam?) from the mind of Jim Parker. ::uc::

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No "may be" about it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the COA concept originated with the Case Classics, which were a Parker creation. The worthless pieces of paper came with them, and some people still want them. Sort of like having an original box I guess, except anyone with a copier or printer can create a COA.

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Based on what I’ve seen Parker attached the COA with some of his “factory finds” as well, such as the Shapleigh brand.
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Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:43 am
MechanicalBear wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:01 am
Mumbleypeg wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:57 am Yet another scheme (or is it scam?) from the mind of Jim Parker. ::uc::

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It may be Mumbleypeg.
No "may be" about it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the COA concept originated with the Case Classics, which were a Parker creation. The worthless pieces of paper came with them, and some people still want them. Sort of like having an original box I guess, except anyone with a copier or printer can create a COA.

Ken
Oh, I didn't really understand what you were saying before, sorry Mumbleypeg ::teary_eyes::.
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OLDE CUTLER wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:11 am I always thought COAs should be printed on toilet paper, that way they would be good for something.
Agreed.
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MechanicalBear wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:00 pm A seller on this site is selling certificates of authenticity for Case Classics. There are legitimate reasons you would want one of course. I just want to warn you guys/gals that even though a knife has a certificate of authenticity it doesn't mean it's real. Here's a link to the listing https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... -no-knife-. Yet again, I am not trying to call out the seller, there are legitimate reasons someone would want a certificate of authenticity. I just want people to know these certificates are out there, and some unsavory characters may use them to try to pass off a fake knife as a real one.

Really? I feel bad that this is on the AAPK site. Makes me sad. I guess I am too sensitive at this time of the day though :D

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rea1eye wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:08 am
MechanicalBear wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:00 pm A seller on this site is selling certificates of authenticity for Case Classics. There are legitimate reasons you would want one of course. I just want to warn you guys/gals that even though a knife has a certificate of authenticity it doesn't mean it's real. Here's a link to the listing https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... -no-knife-. Yet again, I am not trying to call out the seller, there are legitimate reasons someone would want a certificate of authenticity. I just want people to know these certificates are out there, and some unsavory characters may use them to try to pass off a fake knife as a real one.

Really? I feel bad that this is on the AAPK site. Makes me sad. I guess I am too sensitive at this time of the day though :D

Bob

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I know how you feel Bob. Also, I deleted what I previously wrote, because I was able to find a knife similar to the one in the photos below.
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