from old parts...

[winst]

I have of late noticed that we are having more and more Case tested knives being listed on ebay stating that they are constructed from old parts yet the blades look as though they were fresh off the press. My question is "old parts" from where?? There is one of these knifes now on ebay..a stockman that looks to have an old Ulster blade as the flash blade. In order to distinguish these from pure original we must assign them a particular classification...."modified original" would be "oxymoronish" so maybe some one can come up with a good slot that would be fitting for these "made from old parts" hybrids. HA HA.........

[Gunsil]

JUNK !!

[knifeaholic]

Most were made out of the Kutmaster parts that were obtained from the Utica factory in the 1980's.

[herbva]

I think this possibly could be one of the auctions under discussion. https://www.ebay.com/itm/134334607019
It is a shame that there probably are those who mistakenly assume they are bidding on a Case knife. The auction wording is somewhat disingenuous, sneaky, and needs to be read carefully. "A vintage pocket knife, assembled partially from salvaged Case parts, while other components (i.e. handles) appear to be newer materials." It looks to me like the shield may be the only legitimate Case part.

[1967redrider]

$115 for a cobbled knife and 3 days to go.

[Reverand]

It is offensive to call it "near mint to mint", while at the same time claiming that it was cobbled from parts.
At least this seller admits that it is not an original Case, but is still misleading if many of the parts are not Case.
I do not know enough about older Case knives to spot a fake (excepting the occasional across-the-room fake), so I avoid them unless I am buying them for parts.

[Oledadsknives]

Are these people selling these parts knives actually able to stamp blades like the one I see on eBay?

Jimbo

[Reverand]

Yes sir. Knife counterfeiting is far more prevalent than most people realize.
Some stamps look so bad that you wonder why they bothered, but others look almost just like the originals. You learn to see where the tang was shaved down (to remove the original tang stamp), or for signs of a "cold stamp", where the stamping in rounded instead of crisp, because it has been done after the steel has been tempered.
There are many other signs, but to my inexperienced eye these normally stand out.

[Mumbleypeg]

Are these people selling these parts knives actually able to stamp blades like the one I see on eBay?

Jimbo

Yes. Recommend you see the Counterfeit Watch forum here and read through the posts, where you will find numerous examples of fake stamps on several different knife brands. Here’s just a couple of threads discussing fake stamps and how to spot them. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=76717

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75827&p=1028007&hilit=Cold#p1028007

Ken

[Oledadsknives]

Wow, I never realized people would actually be able to do this tang stamp thing. Common sense always told me that shaving the tang would be pretty noticeable against a spring, but I guess people will try about anything to deceive and make a dollar. Thanks for the valuable info Ken!

Jimbo

[Oledadsknives]

Thank you too Reverand. I didn’t realize this was such an ongoing problem. You guys here at aapk are a world of knowledge for sure!

Jimbo

[btrwtr]

Here is the knife from the eBay link posted.

Nothing short of rediculous to say this knife is "A vintage pocket knife, assembled partially from salvaged Case parts". Calling a counterfeit Frankenknife would be spot on. As knifeaholic notes these are fake stamped Kutmaster blades, wrong bone and jigging for a Tested era knife. I don't believe the shield is even old and real. None of these parts go together to make any form of a legitimate Case knife. Note that all the contours of the blades and pulls appear to be very soft and rounded. On an old XX or Tested era knife the bevels would be sharp.

As is often the trend with these knives, fake stamping all the blades just puts more bait on the hook for the unsuspecting buyer but in reality makes the knife that much more incorrect.

Just one of the hundreds of knives on eBay that are fake, altered or incorrectly advertised.

[Oledadsknives]

Pretty sad Wayne. Well I agree with someone that said at least the post admits to using various parts to make a knife. At least they did that much.

[Colonel26]

That spey! Dead giveaway!

[EC_Snooker]

Here is the knife from the eBay link posted.

Nothing short of rediculous to say this knife is "A vintage pocket knife, assembled partially from salvaged Case parts". Calling a counterfeit Frankenknife would be spot on. As knifeaholic notes these are fake stamped Kutmaster blades, wrong bone and jigging for a Tested era knife. I don't believe the shield is even old and real. None of these parts go together to make any form of a legitimate Case knife. Note that all the contours of the blades and pulls appear to be very soft and rounded. On an old XX or Tested era knife the bevels would be sharp.

As is often the trend with these knives, fake stamping all the blades just puts more bait on the hook for the unsuspecting buyer but in reality makes the knife that much more incorrect.

Just one of the hundreds of knives on eBay that are fake, altered or incorrectly advertised.

For Historical Purposes - That knife sold for $152.50 with a total of 9 bidders participating.

[Mumbleypeg]

Here is the knife from the eBay link posted.

Nothing short of rediculous to say this knife is "A vintage pocket knife, assembled partially from salvaged Case parts". Calling a counterfeit Frankenknife would be spot on. As knifeaholic notes these are fake stamped Kutmaster blades, wrong bone and jigging for a Tested era knife. I don't believe the shield is even old and real. None of these parts go together to make any form of a legitimate Case knife. Note that all the contours of the blades and pulls appear to be very soft and rounded. On an old XX or Tested era knife the bevels would be sharp.

As is often the trend with these knives, fake stamping all the blades just puts more bait on the hook for the unsuspecting buyer but in reality makes the knife that much more incorrect.

Just one of the hundreds of knives on eBay that are fake, altered or incorrectly advertised.

For Historical Purposes - That knife sold for $152.50 with a total of 9 bidders participating.

Proof that P.T. Barnum was right!

Ken

[1967redrider]

$152.50