Remington R3442

[1967redrider]

I'm interested too, J.O'. Maybe it's a "John" thing?

[ScoutKnives]

R1752 in ebony wood .
Keith and John have large Remington collections , I’m sure they could shed some light .

[Ridgegrass]

Thanks. It's a nice one. J.O'.

[1967redrider]

Price & Zalesky list Redwood and Cocobolo, but no Ebony that I've found.

[Clark23]

There is all too much for me to keep up on what’s going on, but i do believe Mr. Keith as he is a Remington expert, also believe Mike himself, but I had to ask the group just be sure it is a knife from Mr. Keith himself. I never attended to go behind anyone’s knowledge I was just curious as all others I seen had different material. I don’t have a good picture other than one here I got from my video of the knife, currently it’s still awaiting to get the snap fixed. This definitely looks ebony but I wanted be sure as not knowing if Remington had made a good copy of synthetic.

[Thomasg]

Here is a black composite .pal blade co.who. bought out Remington

Pal blade co.

. Also a Remington 171 red wood

Red wood 171

[peanut740]

There is all too much for me to keep up on what’s going on, but i do believe Mr. Keith as he is a Remington expert, also believe Mike himself, but I had to ask the group just be sure it is a knife from Mr. Keith himself. I never attended to go behind anyone’s knowledge I was just curious as all others I seen had different material. I don’t have a good picture other than one here I got from my video of the knife, currently it’s still awaiting to get the snap fixed. This definitely looks ebony but I wanted be sure as not knowing if Remington had made a good copy of synthetic.

That's definitely Ebony.

[1967redrider]

I view this as a learning experience.

So does this mean Price & Zalesky are wrong, or did someone put Ebony on this knife? I haven't checked Sargent's or Voyles' books yet to see what they might have listed.

[Ridgegrass]

Here's a theory. A hundred and more years ago, furniture and clock makers would "ebonize" woods, that is, stain them black to simulate ebony which was very popular. Could that 171 pattern, which is described in the catalog as "redwood" have been "ebonized"?
My only remaining question is why is there no reference to ebony in the "2" pattern number explanations, only "black composition" specified. ???? Thanks for the pics.
By the way, Cattaraugus specified ebony as "6" in their pattern numbers.(If that's relevant.) If we keep at this somebody might find the answer. J.O'.

[Thomasg]

The 171 I believe was as you say “ebonized” with some type of black dye.in hand when held under bright lighting you can see some of the natural redwood colors bleeding out.I believe it was done at the factory when manufactured much like dyed bone .the stockman the black composite when in hand has what appears to be fine lines running horizontally bolster to bolster that mimic wood grain so I believe it was also made to simulate an ebony look.

[1967redrider]

The black comp R322 I EDCed today has those horizontal lines like you mentioned. Thanks for this information.

[espn77]

I haven't been here for a while. Lots of discussion, which is good and fun. Here is a 1928 jobers guide that will salve all the mysteries.

[espn77]

All the knives in this picture are "2" pattern. The trapper is the only wood handled knife.

[espn77]

Individual pictures

[espn77]

The longer we are in the hobby the more information we find. People like Price, Zalesky, Goins, they did an amazing job of collecting a huge amount of information and making it available for future generations. As we find information that counterdict them I don't believe it's a matter of "proving the wrong " but more of a new piece of information was discovered. There legacy and contribution to our hobby should always be appreciated.

[Clark23]

The longer we are in the hobby the more information we find. People like Price, Zalesky, Goins, they did an amazing job of collecting a huge amount of information and making it available for future generations. As we find information that counterdict them I don't believe it's a matter of "proving the wrong " but more of a new piece of information was discovered. There legacy and contribution to our hobby should always be appreciated.

That’s cool Keith, but I honestly wish I could get rid of this thread as it sucks my knife was stolen I was so looking to get it back after getting it fixed.

[wlf]

The longer we are in the hobby the more information we find. People like Price, Zalesky, Goins, they did an amazing job of collecting a huge amount of information and making it available for future generations. As we find information that counterdict them I don't believe it's a matter of "proving the wrong " but more of a new piece of information was discovered. There legacy and contribution to our hobby should always be appreciated.

Worth repeating .

[peanut740]

The longer we are in the hobby the more information we find. People like Price, Zalesky, Goins, they did an amazing job of collecting a huge amount of information and making it available for future generations. As we find information that counterdict them I don't believe it's a matter of "proving the wrong " but more of a new piece of information was discovered. There legacy and contribution to our hobby should always be appreciated.

[Thomasg]

The longer we are in the hobby the more information we find. People like Price, Zalesky, Goins, they did an amazing job of collecting a huge amount of information and making it available for future generations. As we find information that counterdict them I don't believe it's a matter of "proving the wrong " but more of a new piece of information was discovered. There legacy and contribution to our hobby should always be appreciated.

That’s cool Keith, but I honestly wish I could get rid of this thread as it sucks my knife was stolen I was so looking to get it back after getting it fixed.

It is a shame your knife was stolen . ESPN 77 responded to your post and the information he shared On Remington ebony can now be of use to collectors today and those who follow .any one who enters Remington ebony in the search bar will be able to see your post to gain previously little know knowledge .Yes it still sucks you lost your knife my sincere condolences to you .