Ulster Scout/Camp Shield ... Hmmm?

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Ulster Scout/Camp Shield ... Hmmm?

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I picked up an Ulster over USA Scout/Camp knife a a local thrift shop yesterday. Its shield (on the right) is not the usual eagle emblem.... ::hmm:: ::shrug:: Construction wise it is identical to the Ulster Scout on the left with the exception of the shield and darker Delrin.
Any and all information about this knife will be greatly appreciated.
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Canada? ? ::shrug::
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I had the same thought as it looks like a Fleur-De-Lis....
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I want to say I have seen one of these that said "OFFICIAL KNIFE" and "Canada" with that shield.
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Cal nailed it!! Here's a Canadian Boy Scout hunting knife with the BSC logo.

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Canajun eh?
Well, to be fairrrr, that’s appropriate. I guess this means I should use it to slice my Canadian bacon, cut my maple syrup pancakes and stir my Tim Horton’s coffee...eh!
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MT-Vessel wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:58 pm Canajun eh?
Well, to be fairrrr, that’s appropriate. I guess this means I should use it to slice my Canadian bacon, cut my maple syrup pancakes and stir my Tim Horton’s coffee...eh!
Thanks for the responses.
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back bacon.... mmmmm ::nod::
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doglegg wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:14 am
MT-Vessel wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:58 pm Canajun eh?
Well, to be fairrrr, that’s appropriate. I guess this means I should use it to slice my Canadian bacon, cut my maple syrup pancakes and stir my Tim Horton’s coffee...eh!
Thanks for the responses.
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I just picked up a small Western, Boulder with a Scout stamp and it has what you guys are saying is the Canada version. I've never heard there was a difference in USA and Canada's stampings. Now I have to dig through my safe and see if I can find examples of both stamps. You guys sure cause me a lot of work.____Dave
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The cap lifter works equally well on a LaBatt's(sp?) or a Molson. J.O'.
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The fleur de lis symbol you’re seeing on the Canadian scout knife is also part of the USA scout symbol, and in fact is used worldwide by the scouting movement. It can be seen in several places on a Scout uniform. Coincidentally there was an article about the fleur de lis symbol in the January 2021 issue of Scouting magazine. Per the article the symbol was chosen by scouting’s founder Baden Powell, and was part of his drawing of the original scout symbol from the early 1900’s.

The Boy Scouts of America has added its own unique stamp on the fleur-de-lis logo and its meaning.

The fleur-de-lis shape represents north on a compass and a flower with three leaves or petals.The three points of the fleur-de-lis represent the three parts of the Scout Oath:
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law
To help other people at all times
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight

The eagle and shield stand for freedom
The two stars within the fleur-de-lis represent truth and knowledge
The knot under the scroll represents the Scout Slogan: “Do a Good Turn Daily”
The scroll with the Scout Motto, “Be Prepared,” is curved as a reminder to Scouts to smile as they do their duty

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Mumbleypeg wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:47 am The fleur de lis symbol you’re seeing on the Canadian scout knife is also part of the USA scout symbol, and in fact is used worldwide by the scouting movement. It can be seen in several places on a Scout uniform. Coincidentally there was an article about the fleur de lis symbol in the January 2021 issue of Scouting magazine. Per the article the symbol was chosen by scouting’s founder Baden Powell, and was part of his drawing of the original scout symbol from the early 1900’s.

The Boy Scouts of America has added its own unique stamp on the fleur-de-lis logo and its meaning.

The fleur-de-lis shape represents north on a compass and a flower with three leaves or petals.The three points of the fleur-de-lis represent the three parts of the Scout Oath:
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law
To help other people at all times
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight

The eagle and shield stand for freedom
The two stars within the fleur-de-lis represent truth and knowledge
The knot under the scroll represents the Scout Slogan: “Do a Good Turn Daily”
The scroll with the Scout Motto, “Be Prepared,” is curved as a reminder to Scouts to smile as they do their duty

Ken
Great information, Ken; I had pretty much forgotten all of that. :( I had the good fortune to be in Troop 29 in Baker, Montana when we received Madam Baden-Powell as a visitor. We stood in the hot sun in the parking lot of a gas station, as I recall and two of the boys passed out. I think that this was 1958. If not, it was 1959.
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Very informative post. Given the symbology of the emblem, I understand why I was a failed Boy Scout... ::woot:: ::facepalm::
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MT-Vessel wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:34 pm I picked up an Ulster over USA Scout/Camp knife a a local thrift shop yesterday. Its shield (on the right) is not the usual eagle emblem.... ::hmm:: ::shrug:: Construction wise it is identical to the Ulster Scout on the left with the exception of the shield and darker Delrin.
Any and all information about this knife will be greatly appreciated.
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MT-V, Your Canadian Ulster Scout knife is a great find! ::ds:: That's the first I have seen with that shield. ::tu:: ::tu::

Canadian Scout knives don't show up very often and I am not sure why.

Here are the few examples I have found. From the left the 1st is a Imperials Prov. RI USA, the 2nd and on top are Johnson Western Works, Sheffield, the 3rd is Imperial Prov. RI and the 4th is a Ulster USA
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Cool David, I've not seen those. ::tu::
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Plot twist warning. According to Holbrook’s scout knives book, this is likely from the Dominican Republic....
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::facepalm:: The plot certainly has taken an unexpected turn... Great knives in previous post.
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A VERY unexpected turn indeed. I didn't even know Dominican Republic Scout knives even existed.
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rustyoldknife wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:40 amHere are the few examples I have found
that’s a fine Scouts Canada (et al) collection you have there rusty - thank you for sharing.
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bestgear wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:14 am
rustyoldknife wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:40 amHere are the few examples I have found
that’s a fine Scouts Canada (et al) collection you have there rusty - thank you for sharing.
Thanks Tom, If it weren't for you I wouldn't have the smooth covered black imperial ::tu::
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rustyoldknife wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:57 amIf it weren't for you I wouldn't have the smooth covered black imperial
It pleases me to no end to see specimens from my lifetime Scout knife collection embedded in someone else’s collection. Thanks for reminding me David ::handshake::
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