Could be an Iver Johnson, you would actually have to read the stamping on the top of the barrel. These should never be considered safe to shoot with modern smokeless factory loads. Almost all are "wall hangers". They suffer from loose hinges, worn latches, cylinders that dont stop spinning and timing that is off. I had looked for over a year to find the one I have shown that is tight and safe to shoot with my own light loads. A current production Kimber in 38ACP? That is laughable, and dangerous. Also many people don't know that the 38 S & W (which is the caliber of many of the top breaks) is different than the 38 Special and the 38ACP and none are interchangeable.Boji wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:18 pmThere is a local live auction here on Sunday with a couple of top breaks. I don't own one but always interested in adding something "New to me"OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:10 pm I recently picked up this nice OLD H & R top break pocket pistol in caliber 38 S & W. It has a 3 1/4" barrel, 5 shot and would be legal in SASS pocket pistol side matches. The last patent date on the barrel is 1896, so it was probably made between then and 1940. It is good and tight, with the hinge, latch, and extractor working perfectly. I had it out to the range this morning and tried it out with some light loads, which is essential in shooting these old pieces. No need to magnumize this one. The pocket pistol SASS matches require that one draw the pistol and click off 5 shots rapid fire on a metal target and for a hit is only necessary to be able to hear the ding on the metal. Now to make up a holster for it, maybe a suspender mounted one would work
What does a person need to look out for?
This is an Iver Johnson, correct? It isn't listed on the sale bill, looks decent. listed is a Hopkins & Allen Safety Police and some others but the billing has multiple errors. Example A current production Kimber in .38 acp?
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Could be an Iver Johnson, you would actually have to read the stamping on the top of the barrel. These should never be considered safe to shoot with modern smokeless factory loads. Almost all are "wall hangers". They suffer from loose hinges, worn latches, cylinders that dont stop spinning and timing that is off. I had looked for over a year to find the one I have shown that is tight and safe to shoot with my own light loads. A current production Kimber in 38ACP? That is laughable, and dangerous. Also many people don't know that the 38 S & W (which is the caliber of many of the top breaks) is different than the 38 Special and the 38ACP and none are interchangeable.
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The reason I said Iver Johnson is because there clearly is an owl on the grip. Checking it out should be no different than any old, used revolver. I'll only be interested if it is .32 cal. Would it be .32 rim fire? If so, I'd be SOL. I'll just have to go to the auction and see. There are some other guns I'm interested in too, depending on what they sell for.
And you can add .38 super to the .38 cal mix. Wonder if that is what they meant by the .38acp? Kimber does make guns in .38 super.
Could be an Iver Johnson, you would actually have to read the stamping on the top of the barrel. These should never be considered safe to shoot with modern smokeless factory loads. Almost all are "wall hangers". They suffer from loose hinges, worn latches, cylinders that dont stop spinning and timing that is off. I had looked for over a year to find the one I have shown that is tight and safe to shoot with my own light loads. A current production Kimber in 38ACP? That is laughable, and dangerous. Also many people don't know that the 38 S & W (which is the caliber of many of the top breaks) is different than the 38 Special and the 38ACP and none are interchangeable.
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The reason I said Iver Johnson is because there clearly is an owl on the grip. Checking it out should be no different than any old, used revolver. I'll only be interested if it is .32 cal. Would it be .32 rim fire? If so, I'd be SOL. I'll just have to go to the auction and see. There are some other guns I'm interested in too, depending on what they sell for.
And you can add .38 super to the .38 cal mix. Wonder if that is what they meant by the .38acp? Kimber does make guns in .38 super.
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BoJi,
John Browning designed the 38 ACP around 1900. According to WIki, a pretty hot round.
John Browning designed the 38 ACP around 1900. According to WIki, a pretty hot round.
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Uberti makes some sweet top-break reproductions, but they're not cheap. I love the Russian. These can handle modern cartridges.
https://www.uberti-usa.com/top-break-revolver
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Auction update, the Kimber was a .380acp so I wasn't interested, if it had been the .38 super I might have been.
Overall prices were crazy high. A Ruger New Model Blackhawk .357 sold for $1300. For an $700-$800 gun.
The Iver Johnson was the 3rd Model with 4 cross pins so modern ammo could be shot in it. Tight lock up, rifling looked good,
but the cylinder was cracked I still did buy it, why? Just because, might be able to find a cylinder, who knows? Guess I needed a project.
Overall prices were crazy high. A Ruger New Model Blackhawk .357 sold for $1300. For an $700-$800 gun.
The Iver Johnson was the 3rd Model with 4 cross pins so modern ammo could be shot in it. Tight lock up, rifling looked good,
but the cylinder was cracked I still did buy it, why? Just because, might be able to find a cylinder, who knows? Guess I needed a project.
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Boji wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:35 pm Auction update, the Kimber was a .380acp so I wasn't interested, if it had been the .38 super I might have been.
Overall prices were crazy high. A Ruger New Model Blackhawk .357 sold for $1300. For an $700-$800 gun.
The Iver Johnson was the 3rd Model with 4 cross pins so modern ammo could be shot in it. Tight lock up, rifling looked good,
but the cylinder was cracked I still did buy it, why? Just because, might be able to find a cylinder, who knows? Guess I needed a project.
John Dillinger had a matched set of Colt 1911's in .38 Super. I used to have a picture of them somewhere . . . found it.
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They sure did some crazy things with the Colt 1911 back in the early 1900's.
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My Grandson's graduation gift! 212042_Message+.jpg[/attachment]
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An excellent graduation gift!
More graduates need to be exposed to the true side of gun ownership, the responsibility that comes with ownership and good pep talk on our nations 2nd Amendment!
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An excellent graduation gift!
More graduates need to be exposed to the true side of gun ownership, the responsibility that comes with ownership and good pep talk on our nations 2nd Amendment!
You did good!
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Wow Ferg, that's one heck of a graduation gift. I'd think anyone would be thrilled to receive that. By the way, I'm available for adoption. Just sayin...
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it's a .22, my S-I-L bought it for him last year and kept it hid. Now he can shoot his own instead of my 1911 Colt! ftd
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Outstanding graduation gift!!!
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WOW!!
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OUTSTANDING!!
An anniversary edition!
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An anniversary edition!
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fergusontd wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:40 am My Grandson's graduation gift! 212042_Message+.jpg[/attachment]SmartSelect_20210525-212042_Message+.jpg
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Gongrats to the young feller on the milestone of graduation and ownership of a fine pistol.
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You done good ferg.
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I've been wanting to replace a .38 Special that I had given to one of my grandsons on their 18 birthday, but you all know that guns and ammo have been had to come by in the past year or so. Sunday night I got an email from Academy Sports that they were back in stock, so I jumped on that immediately. It's a Taurus 856 Ultra-Lite .38 Special 6 shot with a 2" barrel. I also got the speed loader for it. Can't wait to get to the range with it.
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Nice, David!
Planning on some outdoor range time this weekend. I have a new red dot and magnifier that needs zeroed in.
Planning on some outdoor range time this weekend. I have a new red dot and magnifier that needs zeroed in.
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This looks interesting. S&W 9mm Subcompact 1911, 6.9" total length and 26 oz. total weight, has an oversized external extractor, 3-hole curved trigger with over-travel stop, and ambidextrous thumb safety.
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How did it go??dlr110 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:33 pm I've been wanting to replace a .38 Special that I had given to one of my grandsons on their 18 birthday, but you all know that guns and ammo have been had to come by in the past year or so. Sunday night I got an email from Academy Sports that they were back in stock, so I jumped on that immediately. It's a Taurus 856 Ultra-Lite .38 Special 6 shot with a 2" barrel. I also got the speed loader for it. Can't wait to get to the range with it.20210526_152806.jpg
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Looks very interesting, did you see a price for it?Mumbleypeg wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:57 pm This looks interesting. S&W 9mm Subcompact 1911, 6.9" total length and 26 oz. total weight, has an oversized external extractor, 3-hole curved trigger with over-travel stop, and ambidextrous thumb safety.
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Yes, very interested in hearing the report. A few years back I had 2 different models of Taurus 22 rim fire revolvers. Neither of them worked past 100 rounds and had to go back to the factory.jmh58 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:22 pmHow did it go??dlr110 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:33 pm I've been wanting to replace a .38 Special that I had given to one of my grandsons on their 18 birthday, but you all know that guns and ammo have been had to come by in the past year or so. Sunday night I got an email from Academy Sports that they were back in stock, so I jumped on that immediately. It's a Taurus 856 Ultra-Lite .38 Special 6 shot with a 2" barrel. I also got the speed loader for it. Can't wait to get to the range with it.20210526_152806.jpg
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