Will you take the Covid Vaccine ?

[Mumbleypeg]

Ken, where does the statistic of 1 in 300,000 chance of dying from Covid come from ?
So far USA has had 34.1 million cases of confirmed Covid and 563,000 deaths which gives a 1 in 60 chance of dying if you get Covid. (if my math is correct ? 1 in 60 seems too high ?)
Many people have contracted Covid but not become sick so never were tested for Covid. This puts the actual number of Covid infections higher than stated and therefore the risk of dying is lower.
So far Canada has had 1.08 million Covid cases and 23,400 deaths due to Covid.
Covid is far from over so final figures for Covid deaths will be higher than these numbers.
kj

I was replying to Dave’s post. The 1 in 300,000 figure is what he stated, as told to him by his nurse friend.

If you want to play the odds, a nurse told me that your chances of getting seriously sick and having serious long lasting side effects from the shot are greater than getting the virus, and the odds of dying from the virus is like one in 300,000. It's a no brainer for me. A lot of my friends couldn't wait to get the shot, and after they got it, feel safe finally after months of worry. I heard that, if you had the virus, and then get the shot you are way more likely to get sick from the shot. I have two friends that had that exact thing happen to them.____Dave

The 1 in a million and 1 in 7 million (6.8 million actually) are from your post.

Frankly I’m skeptical of the Covid deaths number. I think it has been established that in the U.S. at least, the death rate has been greatly exaggerated. Thanks to actions from Congress, hospitals declaring deaths caused from Covid are able to make claims for substantial monies from the government. Patients dying with Covid from say, a fatal gunshot wound or terminal cancer, have been declared on the death certificate as dying from Covid. Follow the money.

Ken

[Just Plain Dave]

I may have a slightly alergec (sp) to the Johnson and Johnson shot.
Itchy places all over worse at the ankles.

[kootenay joe]

Ken the death rate in USA is reported to be 4 times the death rate in Canada. Both of our health care systems have high standards so it is very odd to see such a huge difference. It does suggest that the USA numbers are much higher than the actual number of Covid deaths.
kj

[Just Plain Dave]

I had swollen places on the bottom of my left foot for a few days.
Cleared up now.

[Unk]

I got my second Moderna shot last Tuesday. I slept most of the day on Wednesday - fatigue and muscle soreness. I was back to normal on Thursday.

I didn't have any issues with the first shot.

[KLJ77]

And now, the nation's favorite yoyo, fao chi, is touting the "booster" shot for everyone who has had the vaccine shot. What's it going to be next? Anyone who believes what this radical kook says should conduct more research on exactly who he is and how much money he's making off these vaccines. Him and Gates are two peas in a pod...and the 'pod' is china.

https://www.deconstructingconventional. ... id-vaccine

[Mumbleypeg]

The guy is a slick politician who has been a bureaucrat for decades, and like most of those he has made a fortune for himself. He’s been on every side of the Covid debacle multiple times. I’ll give him credit for his sensitivities to which way the political winds are blowing, but not for his abilities as a doctor (I don’t think he’s seen a patient in 50 years - maybe never!). May be the slickest politician since Teflon Bill Clinton. Follow the money!

Ken

[orvet]

The guy is a slick politician who has been a bureaucrat for decades, and like most of those he has made a fortune. He’s been on every side of the Covid debacle multiple times. I’ll give him credit for his sensitivities to which way the political winds are blowing, but not for his abilities as a doctor (I don’t think he’s seen a patient in 50 years - maybe never!). May be the slickest politician since Teflon Bill Clinton.

Ken

AMEN brother Ken!!!!

[zoogirl]

I’ve been shot!
Dave is about to get his too. It’ll be four months until the next one, unless they call sooner. Very easy, we just went to our local Shoppers, filled out a form or two and got nailed. I have a little local something in my arm, but that could just be the actual needle. Stick a two inch pin in yer arm and it’s gonna sting a bit!

[CamMan21]

I admit that I thought everyone was exaggerating about the ill feeling after the second shot.... I did once have a bad reaction to the small pox vax, but usually when people complain of illness and sore arms related to vaccines it seems over-blown compared to what I am feeling.

I was wrong about this one. That second shot knocked the tar out of me for about 24 hours, and left me feeling pretty weak for another 24.

My wife, Ma, and myself all had it at the same time and all had similar symptoms.

[edge213]

I just received my second shot (Moderna) about 3 hours ago.
The strange thing was the first shot was completely painless. The second shot hurt like hell. Same person gave both shots.

[Working Edge]

I'll consider getting it AFTER all members of Congress and those promoting the administration of a anti-virus vaccine that has little short-term testing and zero long-term testing (Faucci, the Gate$e$, Zuckertird, etc) have verifiably had the vaccine injected for a while.

Well said..!!!

[CamMan21]

I just received my second shot (Moderna) about 3 hours ago.
The strange thing was the first shot was completely painless. The second shot hurt like hell. Same person gave both shots.

Pretty much the same for me. Didn't even know he gave me the first one, the second definitely bit a little.

I wouldn't plan much for tomorrow if I were you...

[Working Edge]

I worry more about living in freedom than I do about dying. YMMV

Generally speaking, one could argue that pretty much every law is a restriction on personal freedom in one way or another. Many laws are designed and intended to protect society from the irresponsible and selfish actions of others.

Personally, I like to drive fast. I'm a good driver and can safely drive as fast as conditions allow. Therefore, I feel that posted speed limits are a restriction on my freedom to drive as fast as I want to.

I also like to drink beer when I drive. By what right does the gub'ment get to restrict my freedom to drink and drive? I don't care that my actions may possibly harm or even kill others (or myself) because my freedom to do as I please is more important than society's need to feel safe. And if I or anyone I love is ever hit and injured (or killed) by a drunk driver, I certainly would not hold him responsible for ruining (or ending) my life since he was simply exercising his freedom to drink and drive, which obviously trumps my need for safety or life. YMMV

Of course, I'm being sarcastic, but my point is that, ostensibly, in a civilized society the citizens agree to give up certain personal freedoms for the good of society as a whole.

On a related note: I really don't understand the fierce, almost rabid resistance some people have to wearing a face mask...is it really that difficult or so intolerably restrictive? Seems like such a simple, easy thing to do if there's even the smallest chance that it will save lives and reduce suffering. I have yet to hear one valid reason for not wearing a face mask during a pandemic when it's been proven that face masks (and possibly vaccines) limit the spread of the virus and reduce the suffering and number of deaths directly caused by the virus.

There are spiritual aspects and reasons to not capitulate to Big Brother by consenting to wear mask, not the least of which is that masks are used in Muslim society, starting in the 1700's, to subjugate and de-personalize people and to indicate slave status.
The governments of the world, tragically misled as they are, are attempting to establish a Socialist/Communist regime, a One World Order, starting with the mask, and using the covid debacle as a good excuse to force the mask and further government control upon us all.
This is but one reason for the fierce, rabid resistance Y'all mentioned.

[QTCut5]

Ever wonder why doctors wear a face mask during surgical operations? (I could be mistaken, but I seriously doubt it has anything to do with ancient Muslim customs--YMMV).

And while we're on the subject of sartorial customs and significance...ever wear a neck tie or wonder where that ridiculous custom came from?

[CamMan21]

I'm dubious about the effectiveness of masks, and don't subscribe to the "if it saves one life" type of logic. We could apply that to anything. Every time our town has a police-related budget increase on the agenda...that's exactly how is spun.

On the other hand, I'm not at all against wearing a mask and I wear one pretty much everywhere I go since March of last year. I've slipped a few times forgetting the mask at home.

As increasing numbers of folks get vaccinated I'll see less and less reason to wear a mask.

[KLJ77]

"As increasing numbers of folks get vaccinated I'll see less and less reason to wear a mask."

You do realize that; even though a person has been vaccinated, they can STILL be a carrier of c19 and pass it to others. Furthermore, a vaccinated person can STILL get c-19. The vaccine DOES NOT make a person immune to c19...it is supposed to only reduce the symptoms when they get c19.

Masks do absolutely NOTHING to stop a person from getting the c19 virus. This has already been proven. Wearing a mask is nothing but a facial ornament to make others 'feel' protected from someone else.

Just sayin....

[CamMan21]

"As increasing numbers of folks get vaccinated I'll see less and less reason to wear a mask."

You do realize that; even though a person has been vaccinated, they can STILL be a carrier of c19 and pass it to others. Furthermore, a vaccinated person can STILL get c-19.

Yes, I am aware that it is possible to get the virus after vaccination.

The vaccine DOES NOT make a person immune to c19...it is supposed to only reduce the symptoms when they get c19.

I don't believe that for a second, but am aware it is spreading like wildfire on the internet.

Masks do absolutely NOTHING to stop a person from getting the c19 virus. This has already been proven.

I'm not sure that I believe masks have zero effectiveness, though it's certainly possible and I'm definitely not asserting anything to the contrary. That said, I am definitely convinced they're not nearly as effective as often portrayed.

...a facial ornament to make others 'feel' protected from someone else.

Like I said, I wear a mask regularly. You highlighted the reason why I do...and I'm ok with that being the primary reason.

[KLJ77]

The vaccine DOES NOT make a person immune to c19...it is supposed to only reduce the symptoms when they get c19.

I don't believe that for a second, but am aware it is spreading like wildfire on the internet.

Cam...I didn't make that statement 'off the cuff'. That comes straight from the CDC, WHO and fau chi himself. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just stating a fact that has been conveyed by the alphabet soup agencies. YMMV.

I wear a mask too...but I have no faith in them. I just take many more measures of protection on a personal level.

[CamMan21]

Cam...I didn't make that statement 'off the cuff'. That comes straight from the CDC, WHO and fau chi himself. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just stating a fact that has been conveyed by the alphabet soup agencies. YMMV.

I wear a mask too...but I have no faith in them. I just take many more measures of protection on a personal level.

I'm not saying you made anything up at all, quite the contrary...that others are distorting things to pass that info along everywhere.

Both the CDC and WHO who have published data about the effectiveness at preventing infection and spread of COVID. It's not absolute - noted - but it doesn't need to be 100% immunity to be greatly beneficial to society.

Most of the discussions about contracting the virus (and passing the virus) after vaccination are talking about asymptomatic cases. I think that's where the problem comes in.

Regardless, even if everyone gets the virus but don't have any symptoms...then it's effectively the same result as not getting the virus in the first place.

What I was saying in my initial post that you quoted...you can't very well tell everyone to wear a mask and get a vaccine. It makes less and less sense to continue with mask restrictions the more people get vaccinated. That's the whole purpose of getting a vaccine in the first dang place; to get back to normal or as close as we'll ever get.

As far as Fauci....I think he's political and an attention hound. I haven't listened to a word he's said in many months.

[jmh58]

It’s all about control right now!!

[zzyzzogeton]

On the "efficacy of the vaccine" topic -

I have a good friend (call him "Porter") who, for his current job (delivering supplies for FEMA), was required to have an "Antibodies present" test run. I don't know what the official name of the test is, he just had to have it done. His co-workers, were also required to have the test performed.

Porter has had full-blown china virus. Sick as a dog for days.

Porter tested really high in the number of China virus antibodies found in his body.

His co-worker (whom we will call "Willy") had the Pfizer vaccine. Willy's test came back with a really low antibody count, damn near ZERO.

Just saying --- how good is that vaccine supposed to be?

[CamMan21]

Both previously infected and vaccinated have extremely low rates of infection.

So far about 6000 folks who are vaccinated have tested positive for COVID post-vaccine. That may sound like a lot, but with about 1/3 of the population vaccinated that's pretty darn low considering we're currently having over 50,000 positive tests per day.

[Working Edge]

Ever wonder why doctors wear a face mask during surgical operations? (I could be mistaken, but I seriously doubt it has anything to do with ancient Muslim customs--YMMV).

And while we're on the subject of sartorial customs and significance...ever wear a neck tie or wonder where that ridiculous custom came from?

Never have wondered why doctors wear surgical masks, but I wonder how folks who wear masks while driving alone in an automobile or walking across wide open spaces ever allowed themselves to be duped by the government and the news media into believing such nonsense.

[zoogirl]

I suspect some of the people out in the open just forget they have it on. They could be using it as a face warmer too. A pleasant side effect has been that I didn’t get the badly chapped lips that I usually suffer with. No bad cold, either.
Perhaps the car people have just dropped someone or are on the way to pick someone up and don’t want to breathe anything on the car’s surfaces.