Schatt & Morgan

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Schatt & Morgan

Postby rtfret99 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:20 pm

Lookin for info about Schatt & Morgan knife.
Knife reads GROSSE MANNER & GROSSER ZEITEN 1914 & 1915
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby jerryd6818 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:49 pm

rtfret99 wrote:Lookin for info about Schatt & Morgan knife.
Knife reads GROSSE MANNER & GROSSER ZEITEN 1914 & 1915

GROSSE MANNER = Big Men
GROSSER ZEITEN = Great Times
As per an online translation program.

And the "viribus unitis" on a slant above the two central figures is Latin for "by joining forces"

Of course World War One - WWI - started in Europe on 28 July 1914. I believe the knife relates to that event. ::shrug::
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby doglegg » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:50 pm

Don't know who they are but translated would be "Epic Men Epic Times" Something like that. Atleast you know when it was made. Right on the knife. Cool. ::tu::

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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby jerryd6818 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:56 pm

doglegg wrote:Don't know who they are but translated would be "Epic Men Epic Times" Something like that. Atleast you know when it was made. Right on the knife. Cool. ::tu::

I wasn't aware that you speak German.
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby doglegg » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:02 pm

jerryd6818 wrote:
doglegg wrote:Don't know who they are but translated would be "Epic Men Epic Times" Something like that. Atleast you know when it was made. Right on the knife. Cool. ::tu::

I wasn't aware that you speak German.

I do a tiny bit but my Daughter in law and grace is German. Grew up in Stuttgart so she is my reference. But in translating languages there is a lot of ways to translate the same thing. I do speak Spanish, lived in Peru 50 years ago.

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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby Sharpnshinyknives » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:20 pm

I wonder who the men are that in relief on the handle? The one directly left of center looks like it might have been Kaiser Wilhelm. But someone may have defaced it.
I would expect Ludendorff, Hindenburg and other generals to be on there as well. It will be interesting finding out more about this knife.
If anyone is interested in WWI, Barbara Tuchman’s Pulitzer Prize winning “Guns of August” is the best book on WWI I’ve ever read.
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby jerryd6818 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:36 pm

I used to be able to speak a little pig Latin. :lol:
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby doglegg » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:37 pm

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Here is an add for the knife My Daughter in law and grace found. I would be hard pressed to translate and she didn't offer. But I thought the add was neat. ::nod::

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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby Dinadan » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:01 am

Very cool old knife. I am thinking that back when that knife was made, folks in Germany would recognized the faces. A couple looked vaguely familiar to me, but I am not well versed in the history of that era.
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby Quick Steel » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:22 am

What a fine historical piece.

SharpnShinyKnives: Ditto on the Tushman book. A great read.
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby Sharpnshinyknives » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:09 am

doglegg wrote:image.jpg Here is an add for the knife My Daughter in law and grace found. I would be hard pressed to translate and she didn't offer. But I thought the add was neat. ::nod::



Definitely Kaiser Wilhelm and Hindenburg share the center stage on that knife. With a little time I could identify many of them. The advertisement doesn’t say who the reliefs are. It’s a description of the knife. I do speak a little Deutsche. Ich spreke ein bisschen Deutsch. But I did terrible on the spelling part of the German language. Probably spelled the sentence in German wrong. I struggle enough w/ English.
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby doglegg » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:13 am

Sharpnshinyknives wrote:
doglegg wrote:image.jpg Here is an add for the knife My Daughter in law and grace found. I would be hard pressed to translate and she didn't offer. But I thought the add was neat. ::nod::



Definitely Kaiser Wilhelm and Hindenburg share the center stage on that knife. With a little time I could identify many of them. The advertisement doesn’t say who the reliefs are. It’s a description of the knife. I do speak a little Deutsche. Ich spreke ein bisschen Deutsch. But I did terrible on the spelling part of the German language. Probably spelled the sentence in German wrong. I struggle enough w/ English.
SSk

Not too bad SSK. But I understand, too often my Spanish turns into Spanglish. :lol:

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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby rtfret99 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:42 pm

Thanks for all the info. Now have to try to find its value :D

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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby Sharpnshinyknives » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:16 pm

rtfret99 wrote:Thanks for all the info. Now have to try to find its value :D



By the way, I forgot to welcome you to the forum. Hope you stick around. This is a great place and some fine people.
As far as value, that’s very hard to say. Too bad the Kaiser was defaced, although I understand why, but that detracts from the value. Condition matters. An antique dealer might think the knife is worth more than a collector. I wouldn’t get my hopes up that it’s worth a lot of money.
I’d be hesitant to make a guess. One way to find out is to list it on eBay w/ a starting price at or a little below what you think it’s worth and see if you get bids. If it’s a rare knife and worth a lot, bidders will bid it up and you will come out ahead. You may have to list and relist it several times to draw attention to it.
I would be interested in it just because I’m a WWI buff, but I wouldn’t begin to know what to offer.
Good luck,
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Re: Schatt & Morgan

Postby rtfret99 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:44 pm

Will continue to look around ebay and check a few antique dealers.


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