EDER Czech 9

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EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:50 pm

I've had this a long time. I keep my "pearlies" in a cloth-lined drawer to avoid damage. Dug this out yesterday. It's Stamped: "EDER" over CECHO over
SLOVAK. Only 2-3/4" long. 10 blades, including: buttonhook, moustache comb, Wharcliffe, 2 copers, hawkbill, corkscrew, pick, nail file, scissors. All 5 liners have filework. Can't find the mark in any references I have. Amazing display of the Cutler's art. J.O'
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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by knife7knut » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:42 am

Nice one and in amazingly good shape!I am always amazed at how complicated these multi-blade knives were to make.I have several of them with varying numbers of blades but sadly most are not in the greatest of shape.
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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Nephilim » Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:11 am

Do you figure its pre-WW2 manufacture? It looks too nice and delicate for a command economy knife.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:01 pm

Well, Czechoslovakia was created in 1918 from part of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. So it has to be after that. It's now,( post 1989, )two different countries. The knife could be from between the wars. A button hook seems a throwback to an earlier day, maybe 1920's. The blades appear plated or really highly polished. The mustache comb is of an almost yellowish alloy, maybe some nickel in it. The stamp leaves out the Z and is CECHO over SLOVAK. ??
Hoped maybe someone knew the EDER mark. I may have another EDER knife somewhere. This multi a well made knife, just one small crack and two tiny chips in the pearl. I have a serious love/hate relationship with MOP. So hard to handle, display, carry, etc., but so beautiful.( Kinda like my wife!) ::facepalm:: :D . J.O'.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by doglegg » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:19 pm

Might shoot a PM to Eustace, he is pretty up-to-date on things eastern European.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Mumbleypeg » Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:24 pm

J.O., your knife is very similar to one I have. Mine also has MOP covers and 10 blades, mostly the same as yours, including a mustache comb made of some non-steel material I assumed was maybe aluminum. Mine also has coined liners and the little pellet-like extension on the small blades to facilitate opening. It is stamped Rather & CO on several blades. The differences are that mine has an earwax spoon made from the same material as the comb, and a genuine tortoise shell toothpick. It’s a well made, intricate small knife. Yours appears to be a sleeve board whereas mine is equal end. Largely because of the button hook I’ve assumed the knife was from around 1900 plus/minus a few years.

The other similarity is, I haven’t been able to find much about the maker either. :lol: Here for comparison are some pictures. When I found it the pearl on one side was cracked and missing pieces on both ends. The other side was perfect. I sent it off to Bill DeShivs who did a great job matching a new MOP cover to the pearl on the original intact side for me.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm

Ken/Peg: I date mine after 1918 because of the CECHO over SLOVAK stamp. Czechoslovakia was created after WW1. I also don't think it goes into the Communist era. Maybe it's my impression of that time but I don;t think they'd bother with pretty trinkets after WW2. The comb has that greenish-yellow finish that I don't think is aluminum. Did you research your mark? Yours is certainly a beauty. Thanks. J.O'.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:54 pm

Thinking RATHER & Co. could have been a dealer/store etc. J.O'.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Mumbleypeg » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:35 pm

I’ve done fairly extensive research and not been able to find any history about Rather & Co. I have four knives in my possession having that stamp (two celluloids, one wooden, and the pearl) and my research turned up pictures of a few more but no info about the company. One thing they all have in common is a stamp consisting of crossed swords and “Acier Superfine” on the master blades. Acier is the French word for steel. But I don’t think the knives were made in France, and I don’t think Rather is a French name. ::shrug::

Whatever the story is, it’s a mystery at least for now. But the multi-blade MOP knives we both have are true testaments to the skills of the cutlers who made them! ::nod::

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:03 pm

Found nothing on EDER either. Other than the Czech mark. ::shrug:: J.O'.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:27 pm

Just did a search for the "RATHER" surname. Seems it's a descriptive variation of "red" in old German and appears earliest in Bavaria, which, is right next to Czechoslovakia.
Aktiengesellschaft or "AG" is the German word and abbreviation for "Company" in English. "Cie" is the French abbreviation for 'Company".
So, why are the knives marked with the English, (or American) abbreviation for "company", and blade etched with French for "Superfine Steel" ? Seems to indicate they may have been made for export.
The mystery deepens!!!! :D ::shrug:: J.O'.

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Eustace » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:46 pm

Can you take a picture of the stamp?

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by jmh58 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:59 pm

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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Ridgegrass » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:35 pm

Eustace: Are you asking for the EDER stamp? Here it is. J.O'.
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Re: EDER Czech 9

Post by Eustace » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:51 pm

I checked all my known resources, but found nothing about the manufacturer. Then I contacted a man, the Czech analogue of our Ray - knife7knut. He told me that he had seen this stamp as well, but there was no information.

What came to my mind. In another topic, we had discussed American importers and Czech foreign trade companies in the pre-war period. It is possible that it is such a company - a trader or distributor.
Looking stamp the maximum zoom, could be FDER EDFR FDFP ... ::shrug::

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