Can anyone read these hyroglyphs?
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Can anyone read these hyroglyphs?
My buddy Sundog picked this up recently and asked me to see what I could find about it. It is single blade, 3" long OAL, blade is non magnetic, handle material is MOP, and the only markings are what is stamped on the blade. I did some looking at English hallmarks and have not found anything to match, although it is somewhat difficult to determine what the markings are. I see a lion, the lower case letter e, what may be the makers initials, W N, but what do the others mean?
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O.C. Those are English hallmarks. I believe the WN indicates the silver smith co of William Nowell. The lion passant indicates the city of Sheffield. The small e I believe is the date stamp. The other symbols are for the assay office that approved the piece and the other should be for the particular smith that fashioned the piece.
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Means the blade is sterling silver or it would not have these hallmarks.
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So in this Sheffield chart from Bruce Voyles book, with the type of lower case "e" would the date be 1828? Or am I not reading this correctly?gsmith7158 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:35 pm O.C. Those are English hallmarks. I believe the WN indicates the silver smith co of William Nowell. The lion passant indicates the city of Sheffield. The small e I believe is the date stamp. The other symbols are for the assay office that approved the piece and the other should be for the particular smith that fashioned the piece.
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I have found this website quite useful for figuring out British hallmarks:
https://silvermakersmarks.co.uk/index.htm
https://silvermakersmarks.co.uk/index.htm
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I believe that's correct O.C. Can you tell if that 1st mark is the profile of a person? If so then it may be a duty mark indicating that the taxes had been paid to the crown. It should be king George the lV.
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Now that you mention it, it could be a person. That is the mark I found the most confusing, but it could be a person.gsmith7158 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:27 pm I believe that's correct O.C. Can you tell if that 1st mark is the profile of a person? If so then it may be a duty mark indicating that the taxes had been paid to the crown. It should be king George the lV.
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It could be. William and John Nowill were a father-son team in in Sheffield circa 1825-1845OLDE CUTLER wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:49 pmNow that you mention it, it could be a person. That is the mark I found the most confusing, but it could be a person.gsmith7158 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:27 pm I believe that's correct O.C. Can you tell if that 1st mark is the profile of a person? If so then it may be a duty mark indicating that the taxes had been paid to the crown. It should be king George the lV.
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A very sweet old fruit knife OC.
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I have a little book somewhere...it tells all these English ...mostly London made Silver fruit knife stamps...year made, manufacturer and location...it is still available used...if I get a better picture...I try to get you some info!
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As always, click to enlarge.
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Great post Jerry. Those 3 'charts' can ID every sterling silver blade made in Britain as to maker and year.
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