Punch Varieties

[upnorth]

Details, details !

Actually, that is where the answers lie!! Thanks Dimitri. Now I'm going to look for further proof!

But my question to you is; you say you HAD a Walden Harness Jack!!
Pray tell, why wasn't it sold to ME, instead of someone else,
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

[Miller Bro's]

But my question to you is; you say you HAD a Walden Harness Jack!!
Pray tell, why wasn't it sold to ME, instead of someone else,
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

I sold that 10 years ago or more, I did not know about you then Charlie

[orvet]

I love it when Charlie gets indignant!


Dale

[upnorth]

But my question to you is; you say you HAD a Walden Harness Jack!!
Pray tell, why wasn't it sold to ME, instead of someone else,
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

I sold that 10 years ago or more, I did not know about you then Charlie

You remember something you did TEN years ago???

I pictured you as an old guy; I guess you are a young gu. . . . . . .
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[Miller Bro's]

You remember something you did TEN years ago???

Charlie, 10, 20, 30 years ago no problem.

It`s 10 minutes or 10 seconds ago that I have trouble remembering!

[Owd Wullie]

You remember something you did TEN years ago???

Charlie, 10, 20, 30 years ago no problem.

It`s 10 minutes or 10 seconds ago that I have trouble remembering!

SO TRUE!!

[stockman]

Here is a old Nap punch with a Pat'd number of 1-29-07 on the punch. Levine's pg. 25 says Carman patent punch blade dated April 7 1908 (884,350) made by Napanoch Knife Co.
Is the date on the punch blade for the knife itself? This punch is for a old Nap tool knife. I tried to scan the other side of this punch and could not get a clear picture, no way. All
tools for this knife is stamped as the punch. Maybe I have answered my question!!

[woseyjales]

Here's a recent acquisition with punch.
If anyone knows the origin or history
behind this one, sure would like to learn more.
Tang on both blades has 'Shapleigh' over 'St. Louis USA'
over 'M.I.Germany'.
My Final Jeopardy guess would be another Parker issue of a defunct
trade name on a pattern of their choice made by same folks as the
Bulldog brand (since this knife has similar bells & whistles.)
Just a guess I could be wrong...again.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.

3 9/16" buffalo horn equal end stockman w/punch.

[upnorth]

Another of Parker's "factory finds" of unfinished knives!!

Pretty well made knives! But the story sucks!!

[Owd Wullie]

Here's one on an old HIBBARD, SPENCER, BARTLETT & Co








Main blade has no snap and sits high in the saddle. Blades have been on one of those damned electric sharpeners too. Seller neglected to mention that.

It was cheap.

[upnorth]

O.W. that punch is typical of Utica/Kutmaster knives. Sometimes referred to as a "lightning" punch because of the jog in the recessed area. It is a die-stamped punch.
Likely Utica made it for HSB.

[upnorth]

Wosey asked me to expand on the Shapleigh story.
Supposedly parts and unfinished knives were found in the old Krusius Brothers plant which closed ca. 1960.
Parker had his German connection (who was it?) finish the knives, and sold them with his typical COA. They were bringing high prices for a while, some years ago. 8-10 years maybe?
I remember no one would pay more than $50 for a German knife back then, and these would sell for double, for a while. When sanity caught up with things, I bought a few in the $50 range, because they were decent knives at that price. I may even have a pearl one somewhere, with a couple in horn. I was gonna carry one to try them out, but never got around to it.
They have a stupid history, not because of the German maker, but because of the crooked seller!

[woseyjales]

Thank ye kindly Upnorth, always nice to hear some of the history behind the blade. Sounds like I came out okay at $40 acquisition cost. Takes some of the sting out of not getting a Shapleigh box or that genUwine Certificate of Authendacity.
Roots in the Krusius Gebr plant sounds good to me.

[upnorth]

Thank ye kindly Upnorth, always nice to hear some of the history behind the blade. Sounds like I came out okay at $40 acquisition cost. Takes some of the sting out of not getting a Shapleigh box or that genUwine Certificate of Authendacity.
Roots in the Krusius Gebr plant sounds good to me.

$40 sounds more than good to me!!

[Owd Wullie]

Here's one on a beat up old Case Tested stockman.



And an I*XL from the early 60's



Must be a reflection on the left side of the bottom picture because there is no ridge on that side. It is smooth and rounded.

[268bull]

Here is a WW2 Camillus which has just a wicked punch! U.S.Marine Corps is etched on the handle.

[upnorth]

The punch looks to have been reprofiled a bit. How does it work?

[268bull]

The punch works fine. I have looked the punch blade over and it doesn't appear to have any file work done on it. It could be a bit of an angle photo shot that makes it appear that way. I wasn't directly over top of the knife. It looks like the photo shot in "The Demo Knife" article (www.donrearic.com/demoknife1.htm).

[Miller Bro's]

Here is an old New York Knife Co. Punch Jack.

Wicked snap, cocobolo handles, nickle silver shield.

[upnorth]

Nice honest HJ, Dimitri! (I see the short bolster on this one!)
Harrison punch, with laminated tang.

[upnorth]

Here is a old Nap punch with a Pat'd number of 1-29-07 on the punch. Levine's pg. 25 says Carman patent punch blade dated April 7 1908 (884,350) made by Napanoch Knife Co.
Is the date on the punch blade for the knife itself? This punch is for a old Nap tool knife. I tried to scan the other side of this punch and could not get a clear picture, no way. All
tools for this knife is stamped as the punch. Maybe I have answered my question!!

I meant to ask you, stockman, does that punch have the double groove on the unseen side??
'08 is the punch patent date, so '07 must be for the tool kit or tang system??

[stockman]

Charlie. yes it does have the double grove.

[upnorth]

Here's what stockman's punch looks like! It had to go through two (at least) machining set-ups to hollow it. When Winchester bought Napanoch, they used this punch for a while, but soon switched to an easier/cheaper one.
Of course the tang is different than stockman's because of his special tool kit.

[upnorth]

Here are some Winchester HJs!
Note the Nap punches!!

[knowtracks]

It appears to me, but then again what do I know, that most all of these punches were patented some place around the turn of the century. Does this have to do with the patent office?
Shirley (I know don't call me Shirley) there had to be punches before this time frame!! What did the old boys do when their leather broke down in the old, old days??? Hum?