Punch Varieties

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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby 268bull » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:23 pm

Here is a WW2 Camillus which has just a wicked punch! U.S.Marine Corps is etched on the handle.
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby upnorth » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:48 pm

The punch looks to have been reprofiled a bit. How does it work?
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby 268bull » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:31 pm

The punch works fine. I have looked the punch blade over and it doesn't appear to have any file work done on it. It could be a bit of an angle photo shot that makes it appear that way. I wasn't directly over top of the knife. It looks like the photo shot in "The Demo Knife" article (www.donrearic.com/demoknife1.htm).

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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby Miller Bro's » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:36 pm

Here is an old New York Knife Co. Punch Jack.

Wicked snap, cocobolo handles, nickle silver shield.

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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby upnorth » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:51 pm

Nice honest HJ, Dimitri! (I see the short bolster on this one!)
Harrison punch, with laminated tang.
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby upnorth » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:06 pm

stockman wrote:Here is a old Nap punch with a Pat'd number of 1-29-07 on the punch. Levine's pg. 25 says Carman patent punch blade dated April 7 1908 (884,350) made by Napanoch Knife Co.
Is the date on the punch blade for the knife itself? This punch is for a old Nap tool knife. I tried to scan the other side of this punch and could not get a clear picture, no way. All
tools for this knife is stamped as the punch. Maybe I have answered my question!!


I meant to ask you, stockman, does that punch have the double groove on the unseen side??
'08 is the punch patent date, so '07 must be for the tool kit or tang system??
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby stockman » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:54 pm

Charlie. yes it does have the double grove.

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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby upnorth » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:35 pm

Here's what stockman's punch looks like! It had to go through two (at least) machining set-ups to hollow it. When Winchester bought Napanoch, they used this punch for a while, but soon switched to an easier/cheaper one.
Of course the tang is different than stockman's because of his special tool kit.
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby upnorth » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:39 pm

Here are some Winchester HJs!
Note the Nap punches!!
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby knowtracks » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:39 pm

It appears to me, but then again what do I know, that most all of these punches were patented some place around the turn of the century. Does this have to do with the patent office?
Shirley (I know don't call me Shirley) :roll: there had to be punches before this time frame!! What did the old boys do when their leather broke down in the old, old days??? Hum?
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby Miller Bro's » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:14 pm

knowtracks wrote:Shirley (I know don't call me Shirley) there had to be punches before this time frame!! What did the old boys do when their leather broke down in the old, old days??? Hum?


Sure there was! They used these bad boys! :lol:
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby knowtracks » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:35 pm

Perhaps I should rephrase my question... What was the oldest patent claim for a leather punch?? I suppose before engineered punches came into being a person just had to carry a sharpened nail or triangle like Miller Bro. posted. The trouble with those "punches" is that they don't remove any material. And believe you me if you've ever tried to fasten a buckle after driving a nail thru harness leather, or even saddle leather, it just doesn't work. The leather just closes back in after you pull the nail out.
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby Owd Wullie » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:29 am

knowtracks wrote:Perhaps I should rephrase my question... What was the oldest patent claim for a leather punch?? I suppose before engineered punches came into being a person just had to carry a sharpened nail or triangle like Miller Bro. posted. The trouble with those "punches" is that they don't remove any material. And believe you me if you've ever tried to fasten a buckle after driving a nail thru harness leather, or even saddle leather, it just doesn't work. The leather just closes back in after you pull the nail out.


Been there and done ( or tried like you said ) that. ;) I usually ended stabbing a knife blade through it and twisting the blade till I got enough of a hole in it to make do till I could get to a REAL punch. ::dang::

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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby Miller Bro's » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:17 am

knowtracks wrote:What was the oldest patent claim for a leather punch??


I don`t know, maybe Charlie does?

knowtracks wrote:I suppose before engineered punches came into being a person just had to carry a sharpened nail or triangle like Miller Bro. posted. The trouble with those "punches" is that they don't remove any material.


A round nail will not remove any material, it has no cutting edge. The "triangle" punch will, it`s edges are sharp. Check out the pictures below.

I took that 110 year old horseman`s knife I posted above and used the punch to put a hole in a 1/4" thick leather sheath I had laying around. It went through like a hot knife through butter! A few clockwise twists and the hole you see is the result. No material left behind, a very nice hole for a belt or whatever you would need one for. This is the best type punch I have ever used. The later ones have a rounded tip, these are hard to push through thick leather. The old stuff is still the best. ::nod:: :wink:
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Re: Punch Varieties

Postby Owd Wullie » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:34 am

:shock:
It's a MIRACLE OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY!!!! ::tu::

What'll they think of next. :wink:

Reckon all those later patented punches were just an attempt to "re-invent the wheel"? With that hole made by the punch you just showed working, doesn't seem like you could get a lot better result with anything made later. ::shrug::
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