Old and Obscure Brands

Duffer · Post by **Duffer** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:59 am

Nice one Bill

Blade looks pretty much full, nice pick bone handles, fancy bolster. What’s not to like

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:16 am

Thanks Lloyd it’s one of my favorite knives

Miller Bro's · Post by **Miller Bro's** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:35 pm

BWT wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:11 am Picked this Aaron Burkinshaw up a month or so ago. Thanks for looking and any thoughts or comments!

Bill, I hate to tell you this but that blade was put into that frame

The jigged handles look like New York knife or Walden.

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:53 pm

Thanks Dimitri I had no idea, but I hate it worse than you do

Ivoryman · Post by **Ivoryman** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:32 pm

Don't know age or how obscure, but I've never seen another. Pretty good bone too, like Rogers bone, but I don't know if it's old enough to be.

Elder MFG CO.
ST. LOUIS
USA

doglegg · Post by **doglegg** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:58 am

Very beautiful bone Iman. I think my first view of that tang stamp.

PigStikr · Post by **PigStikr** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:45 am

Good looking knife...I've never seen or heard of one..someone will know about it..

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:20 pm

Iman that’s a beautiful knife

I checked Goins and all it says is Germany no dates or other information? Definitely obscure! Great find though, a lot better than the one I posted.

PigStikr · Post by **PigStikr** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:57 pm

In a search Elder MFG. Co has been in clothing bussness in St. Louis since 1916

Ridgegrass · Post by **Ridgegrass** » Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:01 pm

Houston Price says "ELDER & Co." Germany. No "Mfg Co." included, or date ??? Nice knife

J.O'.

Ivoryman · Post by **Ivoryman** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:11 am

Thanks doglegg, Pigsticker, BWT, and Ridgegrass. Appreciate it, and it's also good to see some looked it up. Me too when I got it and couldn't find much except the company is still around selling clothes. I jumped on it because I had never seen another and the bone was exactly how I like it. Thanks again guys, anyone who knows more please show us some info. Love that about this place. Always someone helping out on knowledge I don't have. Thanks again all who commented and happy looking.

btrwtr · Post by **btrwtr** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:45 am

Nice looking knife but I don't believe it is very old. Nice Rogers bone.

Ivoryman · Post by **Ivoryman** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:43 pm

btrwtr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:45 am Nice looking knife but I don't believe it is very old. Nice Rogers bone.

What would you guess at age? I have no clue and wouldn't even venture a guess. Any shot in the dark is appreciated. Thanks.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:10 pm

There is a guy who makes really nice knives and marks them with old or obscure stamping and the top line is always in an arch. Could this be one of his knives ?
kj

TPK · Post by **TPK** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:12 am

Very nice I-Man! Great looking bones!

Miller Bro's · Post by **Miller Bro's** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:50 pm

Ivoryman, read this thread from page one all the way through. It should answer all your questions.

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kn ... hp?t=26036

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:52 pm

Miller Bro's wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:50 pm Ivoryman, read this thread from page one all the way through. It should answer all your questions.

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kn ... hp?t=26036

Reading 71 pages is a tall order. Any clues as to which pages would help to understand Iman's "Elder MFG. CO." knife ?
kj

Miller Bro's · Post by **Miller Bro's** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:42 pm

Roland, what link are you clicking on?

The thread I posted only has eight pages.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:59 pm

Miller Bro's wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:42 pm Roland, what link are you clicking on?

The thread I posted only has eight pages.

Sorry Dimitri. I read the first sentence: "Ivoryman, read this thread from page one all the way through" and did not realize that you were referring to the link posted underneath.
This has happened before. I need to slow down as i read so i will be less likely to miss something significant.
I did just read all 8 pages of the link.
So Iman's knife is a recently made fake similar to the ones shown in the linked to thread. Even though "fake", all these knives look to be very well made and are very 'eye-catching'. If the blades have been properly tempered then they would be a good user.
I have 3 of these recent fakes, all from ebay over the space of about 2 years (i.e. not from same seller at same time). I knew they were 'too good to be true' and so therefore almost certainly fakes. No one was bidding on them so i ended up paying about $25-$30 each.
kj

Miller Bro's · Post by **Miller Bro's** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:58 pm

No problem Roland common mistake.

So yes, they are not originals, as I stated in that thread I think they were made by a knife factory for someone as they are too good quality and very consistent in their manufacture.

I would like to have one as I would carry it and use it on a daily basis and find out how good the temper is and overall how well it would hold up.

kootenay joe · Post by **kootenay joe** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:18 am

Miller Bro's wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:58 pm No problem Roland common mistake.

So yes, they are not originals, as I stated in that thread I think they were made by a knife factory for someone as they are too good quality and very consistent in their manufacture.

I would like to have one as I would carry it and use it on a daily basis and find out how good the temper is and overall how well it would hold up.

Well i just happen to have one with your name on it ! It's a 3 1/2" Swell Center Jack with fancy bolsters and caps. 'Course a Miller Bros knife in this near mint condition is pretty rare

so you might have to pay up for shipping

kj

1967redrider · Post by **1967redrider** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:25 am

That looks just like a Bluegrass Cutlery Black Box Winchester.

btrwtr · Post by **btrwtr** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:29 am

The Elder knife posted is a good example of looks new because it is new. Being there are few if any Elder knives to use as comparators is a reason such obscure stamps have been used for these more modern knives that are often passed for old. It is, as I said a nice looking knife with beautiful Rogers bone handles but it is not as old as the knife would like you to believe.

Ivoryman · Post by **Ivoryman** » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:36 pm

W. Bingham Co.
Cleveland, OH

Papa Bones · Post by **Papa Bones** » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:41 pm

Ivoryman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:36 pm W. Bingham Co.
Cleveland, OH

Beautiful knife I-man. Loving the bone on that one.

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