Old and Obscure Brands

[tjmurphy]

I've got two Vom Cleff knives. The little 4-blade pearl handle I was calling a C. Lutters based on the reclining lion stamp but I guess I was wrong, but am corrected now. Thanks for posting that KG. The second is a VC&Co "fixed blade" corn knife with brass tubular handle and sheath.

[Cope]

Great lookin' knives guys (& gal)!!!

K7K what can you tell me about the handle pins on the 5th down in your pics? Very unusual......

[vikingdog]

Joe, that Hollinger is beautiful! I've never heard of that brand. Some really fine knives here, great thread trail, thanks.

[knifegirl888]

Here's a couple more..

K & B Cutlery Co. (Kruse & Bahlman Hardware Co. Cincinnati, OH) & a Nippel.

[knife7knut]

Great lookin' knives guys (& gal)!!!

K7K what can you tell me about the handle pins on the 5th down in your pics? Very unusual......

Those are called,"birds-eye rivets" and are usually found only on very old knives.I'm not sure of the exact reason for using them but I think it was to help prevent cracks from forming in the scales.
That particular knife manufacturer dates(according to BRL)from 1829-1843.It is interesting in that the stag is perfectly scaled to the size of the knife which is 2 1/2" long closed.The liners and bolsters are made as one piece rather than having the bolsters soldered and/or pinned on and there is a small piece of bone in the very end of the knife that I believe once acted as a blade stop when it was closed to prevent damage to the point although the blade(a coping pattern) doesn't look to that shortened from original.
I am amazed that it has survived all these years in such relatively good shape.Aside from the sharpening of the blade the only other problem is a small chip from the end of the pile side scale.I often wonder what tales it could tell if it could only speak.

[knifegirl888]

Great lookin' knives guys (& gal)!!!

K7K what can you tell me about the handle pins on the 5th down in your pics? Very unusual......

Those are called,"birds-eye rivets" and are usually found only on very old knives.I'm not sure of the exact reason for using them but I think it was to help prevent cracks from forming in the scales.
That particular knife manufacturer dates(according to BRL)from 1829-1843.It is interesting in that the stag is perfectly scaled to the size of the knife which is 2 1/2" long closed.The liners and bolsters are made as one piece rather than having the bolsters soldered and/or pinned on and there is a small piece of bone in the very end of the knife that I believe once acted as a blade stop when it was closed to prevent damage to the point although the blade(a coping pattern) doesn't look to that shortened from original.
I am amazed that it has survived all these years in such relatively good shape.Aside from the sharpening of the blade the only other problem is a small chip from the end of the pile side scale.I often wonder what tales it could tell if it could only speak.

It is an awesome piece!

[knife7knut]

A few more:

First is a small half congress by R.Bunting &Sons circa 1850.
Second is a 4 blade pen marked Silver Steel with an owl on the reverse.
Third is marked W&G Vogel and sports a fingernail clipper in the end.
Fourth is marked A*1 Tyler Celebrated Cutlery and has ten blades and some very fancy file work.
Fifth is marked G&J Allen Celebrated Cutlery and has pique work(tiny silver pins inserted in the scales)and an unusual combination of a Wharncliffe and coping blade.

[stockman]

JK Ben I like the one with the Nap. Punch

[trail]

I'd call Lockwood Brothers of Sheffield a somewhat obscure brand since I found a few mentions of it in other posts but no pictures. My book shows dates of circa 1849 through 1993. The tang has the name and mark and the blade is stamped with the interesting phrase "Real Knife" and the word "Pampa", plus a picture of an ostrich-like bird. I can find no definition for "Pampa" (other than singular for pampas). My book states "Pampa, Rhea logo"; and a Rhea is an ostrich-like bird, so I don't know if that means some knives were stamped "Pampa" and others "Rhea" or just that they were stamped "Pampa" with a picture of a Rhea. This is the first old large knife I have acquired. I had heard many of these old-timers had powerful snap, and this one certainly does.

[knifegirl888]

Bret & I actually have a sheath knife with the name "Hollinger, Fremont OH" on it. I will try to get a scan of it soon.

Thanks knifegirl, I'd like to see a pic. of the sheath knife. I read about my knife in Goins too. The name was under steam for quite a while. You'd think more of there knives would surface. Maybe they do and I'm just not under the right star. Thats happened before.
Your other knife is beautiful. You reckon that ivory adds weight?

Here is the sheath knife. It's 7 1/2" long.

[FRJ]

Knifegirl, what a beauty of a knife. What a nice wide blade, and georgeous coffin handle. Looks to be an early design for sure. Would the tang be tapered?

Mike, thank you. It looks to be something you would like.

[knife-nut]

Quaker Cutlery Co. with a deep etch on the blades "Kanokla"

[knife-nut]

Mcknight Cutlery Co. Wichita, Kansas.

[knife-nut]

North American Cutlery Co. Wichita Kansas.

[tjmurphy]

These obscure brands, especially those North Americans, could they be considered the GEC's and Canal Street's of their time? Those babies look so well made and have the nicest bone handles.

[knife-nut]

My pictures do not do them justice. The bone on the folding hunter is Beautiful. Thank you. Mark.

[trail]

Here's what we have so far:

Bower
United Cutlery
Sorge
Coca-Cola
W. Bingham
Kamp Cutlery
Valley Forge
Ostdiek
A.E. Fuller
S.& A.
Hollinger
F.GG & Sawyer
Case
Edward K.Tryon
M.Klaas
Samuel Robinson
E.M.Dickinson
Wm.Congreve
Tonerini Scarperia
Vom Cleff
Jack Knife Ben
K.& B. Cutlery
Nippel
R.Bunting & Sons
Silver Steel
W&G Vogel
A*1 Tyler Celebrated Cutlery
G&J Allen Superior Cutlery
Lockwood Brothers
Quaker Cutlery
Mcknight Cutlery
North American Cutlery

If I missed any, my humble apologies. It's been a pleasure looking at every one.

I'd say we're off to a good start. Still fourteen-hundred or so to go before we have all of them in the book. Anybody have a Dunham, Carrigan & Hayden? What about a Severin R. Droeschers? Or an EKCO?

[knifegirl888]

Knifegirl, what a beauty of a knife. What a nice wide blade, and georgeous coffin handle. Looks to be an early design for sure. Would the tang be tapered?

Mike, thank you. It looks to be something you would like.

Thanks, FRJ. I agree with Mike. Your knife is a beauty also!

It doesn't appear to be tapered. It was a cool flea market find.

I am still debating whether it's stag. It kinda reminds me of winterbottom bone?

[knifegirl888]

Quaker Cutlery Co. with a deep etch on the blades "Kanokla"

These are really sweet! Do you know anything more about Quaker Cutlery?

[knife-nut]

Quaker Cutlery Co. with a deep etch on the blades "Kanokla"

These are really sweet! Do you know anything more about Quaker Cutlery?

I've never found any info on Quaker Cutlery, but I found a listing in Goins for Hockaday Hardware Co. 1902-1904 in Wichita Kansas that used the trademark "Kanokla" with the etch of a Indian. I think Kanokla was a combination of kansas and oklahoma. Mark.

[knifegirl888]

I just looked that up, only two years in business. There can't be too many out there...

[knife-nut]

I've found 3 Quakers in 40 plus years of collecting. I hunt for any knives from Kansas, especially Wichita since I was born and raised there. I don't think any were ever manufactured here, but there were several companies that were headquartered in kansas that sold knives with their own stampings. Hard saying who actually made them. Still a lot of fun too collect.

[knifegirl888]

I've found 3 Quakers in 40 plus years of collecting. I hunt for any knives from Kansas, especially Wichita since I was born and raised there. I don't think any were ever manufactured here, but there were several companies that were headquartered in kansas that sold knives with their own stampings. Hard saying who actually made them. Still a lot of fun too collect.

I understand the "local" aspect of knife collecting, for sure. Being from Western Pennsylvania, I am attracted to the Pennsylvania brands. I love the old Case's, Queen's, Schatt & Morgan's but the more obscure ones like Hollingsworth, Kane Cutlery, etc. really capture my heart. I even like the Ohio ones like the Hollinger, Freemont, OH that I pictured because I am only about 40 miles from the Ohio state line.

Quaker Cutlery actually had a Pennsylvania sounding name, and I was curious.

I actually bought Bret a Cutino for Christmas. I know that Kansas City had some nice knives for sale.

The North American folding hunter is gorgeous. It certainly looks extremely well made. Bret cherishes his big hunters. We have a Winchester 1920 and a couple of Cattaraugus King of the Woods. He is always on the lookout for knives like those!

[knife-nut]

Gotta love a folding hunter!

[danno50]

Here's one stamped Fidelity Knife Co. New York. Goins says a Simmons Hardware trademark c.1939. Not near as nice as most of the others posted so far, but a different stamp.
Dan