Old Keen Kutter Knives

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:32 pm

Thanks Jay.
I have just finished paging thru the American Cutler magazine issues from 1919 to 1923 inclusive. The letterhead Mike posted, where Walden says they are the sole maker of Keen Kutter pocket knives, was first used as an ad in the November 1922 issue of the magazine (after the Winchester/Simmons merger). All Walden ads in the 1919 thru to October 1922 issues are the same as the letterhead Mike posted, except they say they are the sole makers of the Press Button knives.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by JAMESC41001 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:05 am

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/common/nysm/f ... vol1_0.pdf
Dan, check this out. It’s a lot of info to digest but I think you will find it interesting. There are many things that pertain to what was happening at Walden knife. Specifically the capital investment NYK made around 1905. At this time NYK went to Drop pressing their blades and you can see production went up as the number of employees fell. At the same time Walden’s employees went up. This is during the time Simmons touted their knives as being hand forged from the finest Sheffield steel. Their is a lot there but the numbers are pretty fascinating to me. Check it out.

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:37 am

Thanks Jay, looks interesting.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by peanut740 » Thu May 30, 2019 3:30 pm

Simmons Hardware Co.,big heavy jack.
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Post by peanut740 » Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 pm

E.C.Simmons Keen Kutter,4408 pattern.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:58 am

A couple of nice ones, Roger! ::tu:: Certainly a massively thick blade on that Simmons jack.
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Post by peanut740 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:33 pm

Thanks Dan.Don't know the exact time frame,but it is early.
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Post by KnifeSlinger#81 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:39 pm

That jack is one hefty looking knife Roger.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by Doc B » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:08 pm

I just rehandled this old Keen Kutter. Here is a link to part of how I rehandled it.
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I believe it's near 100 years old. I've done a lot of research and still have some questions about dating it.
I've only seen one other knife, like this and it happens to be in this thread (page 14): knife7knut posted his, on July 17th of 2015. I wish his had my blade and I had his handles. I've looked through numerous catalogues. The only place I saw one like it is in the 1917 Simmons catalogue.
Note how the Keen Kutter logo, is not italicized. The logo appears like this in the 1890 catalogue; however, I could see no barlow knives.
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The following was the only thing I could find...in the 1917 catalogue. Although the picture shows a spear point...the option for the clip point is listed. I did not see anything with the upright logo in the 1910, 1912, 1936 or 1939 catalogues. That leaves a lot of gaps. So, I'm thinking between 1917 and 1936. If anyone has a copy of Sellen's book, on Keen Kutter identification and could provide any additional info, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Post by New_Windsor_NY » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:41 pm

VERY nice Doc B! Those handles look like they could be used as files. ::tu:: ::tu::
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by Ivoryman » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:54 pm

One and only. Danno50 says it's a 1905-1920. I'll go with that. And decent shape overall, with a lot of blade and life left in it.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by edge213 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:24 pm

Ivoryman wrote:One and only. Danno50 says it's a 1905-1920. I'll go with that. And decent shape overall, with a lot of blade and life left in it.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by danno50 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:29 am

Nice old granddaddy (daddy?) barlow, DocB! ::tu:: ::tu:: From Sellens, it could be either a K601 or K1771 3/4. The illustrations for either of those in Sellens have the italized font on the bolster. However, there were two daddy barlows posted over on Blade Forums with the block font just like yours. This is a catalog page from 1912 with the K601 on it.

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Both patterns were in the catalogs from 1905 to 1920 (from Sellens) and I am sure there were variations within those years. Sellens probably just picked the most common illustration to include in his book? Nice job on the rehandle.


That is still a nice one, Ivoryman! ::tu::
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by Doc B » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:27 am

danno50 wrote:Nice old granddaddy (daddy?) barlow, DocB! ::tu:: ::tu:: From Sellens, it could be either a K601 or K1771 3/4. The illustrations for either of those in Sellens have the italized font on the bolster. However, there were two daddy barlows posted over on Blade Forums with the block font just like yours. This is a catalog page from 1912 with the K601 on it.


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Both patterns were in the catalogs from 1905 to 1920 (from Sellens) and I am sure there were variations within those years. Sellens probably just picked the most common illustration to include in his book? Nice job on the rehandle.


That is still a nice one, Ivoryman! ::tu::
Thanks, Dan! I was hoping you would see the post and comment. I definitely value your expertise and opinion! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Post by 1967redrider » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:33 pm

wlf wrote:
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wlf wrote:Good job John, I had asked for pics of the dogleg, even though it’s not a farmers jack. Glad you got it.
I'll split it with you buddy. :mrgreen:
Just find me another farmers jack, Solomon. :D
Stealing your reply for another thread, Lyle, hope you don't mind.

I do have the clip blade version of this dogleg (#2726 3/4), it was part of an antique store $7 grab bag that I picked up back in June. It is pretty beat blade wise, but the scales and bolsters look nice enough to EDC it, so I do. It holds an edge and is sharp, what more do you need in a user knife? ::shrug::
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