Old Keen Kutter Knives

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby wlf » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:16 pm

No problem Solomon my friend. :)

I think it’s fitting to carry what you collect, especially if you have a niche. I carry a Lockwood Bros farmers jack given me by Paul Hilborn on BF. I’m monogamous as to carries, I don’t switch around, I’ve carried this one for a couple years.
I buy roosters and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby 1967redrider » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:56 pm

wlf wrote:No problem Solomon my friend. :)

I think it’s fitting to carry what you collect, especially if you have a niche. I carry a Lockwood Bros farmers jack given me by Paul Hilborn on BF. I’m monogamous as to carries, I don’t switch around, I’ve carried this one for a couple years.


I've got both of them today, Lyle. I left my usual carrying knife, a Case 6202 1/2 at home, it's probably feeling jaded and jilted at this point. ::mdm::

Easy to tell which is which. The spear is 3 1/2" in Cocobolo and I believe it is a 7725/C, the pattern number is worn off. But the E.C. Simmons tang stamps are perfect and there's little to no blade loss on this one.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby woodwalker » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:27 pm

Picked up this Keen Kutter K28811/2 recently. Does anyone have any info on possible age?
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby Robo » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:34 am

JAMESC41001 wrote:http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/common/nysm/files/crsp-vol1_0.pdf
Dan, check this out. It’s a lot of info to digest but I think you will find it interesting. There are many things that pertain to what was happening at Walden knife. Specifically the capital investment NYK made around 1905. At this time NYK went to Drop pressing their blades and you can see production went up as the number of employees fell. At the same time Walden’s employees went up. This is during the time Simmons touted their knives as being hand forged from the finest Sheffield steel. Their is a lot there but the numbers are pretty fascinating to me. Check it out.


This was a fascinating read. These lines from page 77 got me thinking:

"The economic decline of the New York Knife Company factory was caused by increasing competition with a number of knife factories that had continued to modernize their machinery and manufacturing process after World War I."

I recently got a well preserved "Stainless Cutlery" (Camillus) "Stainless Sportsman". These knives went for $21.50 a Dozen in 1926 and scream "modern machinery and manufacturing process". It appears as if all the little imperfections found on most knives of the era due to human hands still performing some of the manufacturing tasks are gone. The standard, carbon blade NY Knife Company #177 Tickler went for $25.20 a dozen in 1925. In 1929 The "Stainless Sportsman" went up to $23.90 per doz. while the NYKco #177s dropped in price to 16.80 per dz. The next listing I found for the #177 was $15.00 per doz, but this was in 1932, sadly, a year or more AFTER the company went belly up. I've only seen one example of a Wallkill River Works toothpick in Richard Langston's book. These, as you probably know, were a last ditch attempt by NYKco to put out a cheaper line of knives, But from the looks of this one, the machinary and manufacturing process hadn't changed only perhaps the gauge of the steel, etc. used.

I'm not making a scholarly analysis here, just a small observation having studied the catologs and purchased some of the knives. But it seems that the authors/historians who made this study are correct saying: he who modernizes his machinary and manufacturing processes (Camillus)-- lives to see another year. He who doesn't modernize--despite continuing til the end to make superb cutlery like NYKco did--doesn't survive.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby danno50 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:40 pm

Nice pair of doglegs, 1967redrider! ::tu::
Woodwalker, your KK barlow would be made after 1940 for Shapleigh. Good find! ::td::
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby 1967redrider » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:18 pm

danno50 wrote:Nice pair of doglegs, 1967redrider! ::tu::
Woodwalker, your KK barlow would be made after 1940 for Shapleigh. Good find! ::td::


Thanks. ::handshake::

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby woodwalker » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:20 pm

danno50 wrote:Nice pair of doglegs, 1967redrider! ::tu::
Woodwalker, your KK barlow would be made after 1940 for Shapleigh. Good find! ::td::

Thanks Danno!! Appreciate you letting me know!! :) ::handshake::

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby danno50 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:46 pm

Hi Woodwalker, I just noticed I had given you a thumbs down in my post, sorry, it should have been a thumbs up!, I hit the wrong icon button. I edited it to make the change.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby woodwalker » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:17 am

danno50 wrote:Hi Woodwalker, I just noticed I had given you a thumbs down in my post, sorry, it should have been a thumbs up!, I hit the wrong icon button. I edited it to make the change.

No problem Danno! I knew what ya meant!! I've done that myself. Thanks for all you knowlege and help. You are appreciated!! :) ::handshake::

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby edge213 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:53 am

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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby danno50 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:40 am

Very nice ebony jack, David! ::tu::
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby edge213 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:23 pm

danno50 wrote:Very nice ebony jack, David! ::tu::

Thank you Dan.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby 1967redrider » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:22 am

Took my dad to Cracker Barrel tonight for his birthday (Monday) and I saw this, had to take a picture.
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby mastiff » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:49 pm

Not a hard core collector but having fun... This is my first KA-BAR pocket knife ever...
Not sure how old, it is supposed to be a rope knife!! Very sturdy and strong snap!
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Re: Old Keen Kutter Knives

Postby ratlesnake75 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:26 pm

Hey Guys, Can you help me with approximate dating of this E.C Simmons Keen kutter & where it may have been made?
It has all nickel silver construction, hammered pins & the small Winchester type shield which lead me to think its 1920s era but I dont know.
On back of master blade is stamped 4428
Thank you very much for the help on this one
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