Celluloid Handles

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby CheckSix » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:34 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Dave, could you show us the Griffon with the other blades open ? Not sure if it is a 2 or 3 blade knife, i.e. Moose or Cattle knife ?
With 'oldies' it is best to not have more than 1 blade on a spring open at the same time.
I have never had a spring break but others have when setting up for a picture with all blades open.
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kj,
It's a 2 blade double ended jack, with the spear (as shown) and a clip blade, on two separate springs. Being only 3-3/8" closed length, I don't know if this length qualifies it as a Moose pattern or Bullhead or Texas jack. Further, the shield side as shown above, has the spear blade in what I would consider the master blade position. I thought I read somewhere that Levine says for it to be a moose pattern, the master blade has to be the clip blade, with a spear secondary. But being as I'm so new to all of this, I could have all of this wrong. :lol:
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby tongueriver » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:30 pm

That bull-headed junior moosely cigar jack is a beauty! I don't know what to call it either. Here is another junior cattle knife, unmarked.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby thegreedygulo » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:20 am

Nice one Cal! ::nod::
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby tongueriver » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:43 pm

I found a couple more pics.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby CheckSix » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:52 pm

tongueriver wrote:That bull-headed junior moosely cigar jack is a beauty! I don't know what to call it either. Here is another junior cattle knife, unmarked.


LOL!! Glad I'm not alone.

Love all the cells you are showing! ::tu::
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby Berryb » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:10 pm

I was rummaging through my pile and ran across this one. It belonged to my grampa and my mom says he might have gotten it from his dad.
Anyway it's a Western States. Is it a stockman or a Texas Jack? It's 4" long. I can't find it in either one of my books. It's often sharpened and has years of pocket wear, but pretty nice.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby Berryb » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:11 pm

why do I keep doing that?
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby tongueriver » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:51 pm

It is a nice butter-and-molasses stockman; a Texas jack (I think) has that same frame, serpentine, with squared pinched bolsters, but TWO blades, originating from the same end. Usually a clip and a pen?

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby Dinadan » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:55 pm

Berryb - good looking butter and molasses stockman. (I agree with Tongueriver about the stockman part.)

Here is a little Bulldog Sunday Whittler. I got it just over two years ago. I pulled it out of it drawer a few days ago and had an unpleasant surprise - it is in the early stages of outgassing. Sigh.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby tongueriver » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:50 pm

Dinadan wrote: Here is a little Bulldog Sunday Whittler. I got it just over two years ago. I pulled it out of it drawer a few days ago and had an unpleasant surprise - it is in the early stages of outgassing. Sigh.

Nice knife; too bad about the problem. Ach! Those Deutschgassers! I have been tempted by pretty German knives but was warned and so far I have not purchased any of them.

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby TripleF » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:13 pm

Couldn't identify a celluloid handle UNLESS it was gassing, then I know.

Not sure if this little bugger is or not.....
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby Dinadan » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:03 pm

tongueriver wrote:
Dinadan wrote: Here is a little Bulldog Sunday Whittler. I got it just over two years ago. I pulled it out of it drawer a few days ago and had an unpleasant surprise - it is in the early stages of outgassing. Sigh.

Nice knife; too bad about the problem. Ach! Those Deutschgassers! I have been tempted by pretty German knives but was warned and so far I have not purchased any of them.

That is probably a very smart attitude. I would not buy an expensive (over $40?) celluloid knife, but every now and then I see something that I like and is not too costly. I have one Fight'n Rooster with celluloid handles, I like it a lot more than the little Bulldog, and I hope it is not next to go!
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Fight'n Rooster celluloid whittler


TripleF wrote:Couldn't identify a celluloid handle UNLESS it was gassing, then I know.

Not sure if this little bugger is or not.....

With a bit of luck you will never know ... at least, not due to out gassing! That is a nice looking knife, Scott.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby knife7knut » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:27 am

trutemper wrote:
knife7knut wrote:Here's a few;makers are listed from top to bottom under the picture.


Thats a great group knifenut! I`m curious about those 2 fairmounts in the top photo. Do they happen to have milled liners? Love that lime green one with the big shield(what is that?) looks like it has a real nice spear master blade! Any chance of seeing more pics of that lime green fairmount? Thanks for showing!

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Sorry to be so late in replying but I just now got back to this thread.The shield is actually a caricature of a golfer inset under a clear plastic bubble. Here are a couple pics of the Fairmonts.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby kootenay joe » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:29 pm

Scott, i think those are celluloid handles on your pen knife.
Has anyone tried coating celluloid with clear lacquer ? There are various clear lacquers from nail polish to floor finishes.
If this coating did not cause celluloid to break down when applied, it would seal off the celluloid from oxygen and other gases & liquids.
Would this prevent celluloid breakdown ? Is oxygen a requirement for cell breakdown ?
Is there a chemist here ?
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby knife7knut » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:03 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Scott, i think those are celluloid handles on your pen knife.
Has anyone tried coating celluloid with clear lacquer ? There are various clear lacquers from nail polish to floor finishes.
If this coating did not cause celluloid to break down when applied, it would seal off the celluloid from oxygen and other gases & liquids.
Would this prevent celluloid breakdown ? Is oxygen a requirement for cell breakdown ?

Is there a chemist here ?
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I/m not a chemist but one of the components(the main component actually)of celluloid is cellulose nitrate(the others being camphor and alcohol)which is also a component of old style lacquer paint ,racing fuel(nitromethane),and high explosives. It's main attribute is it's ability to burn in a vacuum due to oxygen being a part of it's makeup.
Sealing it off from the outside atmosphere would do little good if the degradation process has already begun.
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