Celluloid Handles

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby FRJ » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Thank you, Bill. ::tu::

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby wlf » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:51 pm

You saved the best for last Roger, I know I'm a little over a year behind. I really like French ivory.

And tortoise shell too Joe,lovely to view.

Here's a 4 1/4" Aerial Cut I have in another of Roger's threads :). A large and unique farmers jack that appeared to start outgassing. Notice the darker "Freckling" appearing on the blades. I got scared and had the handles replaced with ebony.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby wlf » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:01 pm

A couple more I really like. A Remington and a Wostenholm. The most colorful I have is an older Ulster, as Ulsters go.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby BWT » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:55 pm

Very nice knives Lyle, especially the Aerial ::tu:: ::tu::
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby OLDE CUTLER » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:26 pm

I picked up this L. F. & C. junior cattleman with what appears to be gold swirl celluloid over the weekend.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby KAW » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:31 am

Wow Joe... Neat lookin' knife & thanks for bumping up a thread on one of my favorite subjects...
Lyle... super cool lookin' knives... too bad having to rehandle the one... I really like the swirl effect it originally had...
...and that goes for yours as well OC...

... and speaking of favorites... an old (altho it doesn't look like it) Schrade Cut Co stockman:
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another old Schrade... this time a jack...
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a couple of Schrade butter & molasses including a fishtail button knife...
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A NY Knife Co. whittler...
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One of their other brands... the Electric Cut Co:
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Not sure about this one altho it is definitely some form of plastic, but is totally flat...
NYKC's Wallkill River Works (1928 - 31)...
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...and while I don't have any Ulsters with celluloid handles... I do have this Kingston...
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby wlf » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:59 pm

Beautiful knives Dan and Ken.
I would have really gotten into collecting cells , but I had three or four that were made in the 70s that went bad and made me anti social , but I still think the survivors are fabulous.

I always ask the question, "Has anyone seen an example of outgassing on a French ivory"? I have only heard of one case, but have never seen one.

Singing46 used to have several.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby thegreedygulo » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:31 am

Nice knives everyone!

Lyle: Nice roosters as usual. The Remington is a killer for sure, but the Aerial Cutlery you had rehandled with ebony completely changed the looks of that knife. In my opinion, it looks WAY better now. ::tu::
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby FRJ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:47 am

What a great show of knives on this page. ::tu::

OC, I sure like that little punch on the stockman.

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby wlf » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:24 am

Thanks Bill, Ken, Roger, and Joe.

Mamaw said pretty is as pretty does.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby LongBlade » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:38 am

As Joe said - quite a great showing of celluloid handles of all patterns ::tu:: ...

For what it is worth Lyle - I heard dark celluloid is more stable because of additional binders added to the mix.. the exception for a lighter celluloid is French Ivory which I underand is also very stable - that’s good news for that lovely Remington FJ :) ...
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby Edgewise » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:44 pm

Owd Wullie wrote:
Interesting that some company's celluloid lasts forever, while other company's stuff self destructs with frightening regularity.


Can the good ones be considered safe and stabilised or are they still too unpredictable to trust?
Some pre-1940 cell. looks so good I'm tempted to take a chance. ::shrug::

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby LongBlade » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:34 pm

My opinion - there are no guarantees with any celluloid because of the chemicals involved in the production - though I mentioned dark celluloid and supposedly French Ivory are stable I wouldn’t take the chance of storing them with other knives nor buying a very expensive celluloid knife. I hope Charlie doesn’t mind but he shared the story on AAPK of a very very expensive celluloid Robeson that he bought and eventually offgassed - I think there is something to be learned from that story. Personally it doesn’t matter if a knife has been stable for 100 years as it can still be set off to self destruct and the reasons for why are not clear. I guess storing them in the dark and cooler stable temperature may help but one never knows. I believe there are some here who stored celluloid with their other knives in safes that are dark and temperature controlled including humidity and yet there are reports of the celluloid going bad.. as pretty as it is sometimes I still will not buy it with few exceptions... the above is my opinion but based on the experience of many who collect celluloid.
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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby RobesonsRme.com » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:31 pm

Lee, you can share that horrid tale anytime you want.

I think sometimes, outgassing can be precipitated by the handle coming into contact with an antagonistic material, such as that sometimes used in storage or display cases that we see marketed.

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Re: Celluloid Handles

Postby Edgewise » Fri Nov 23, 2018 8:12 pm

Thanks for the opinion, LongBlade. Knowing Charlie's experience will save me (and others) similar heartache because this thread was starting to break down my resistance to celluloid. No wonder it was such a popular material. Hopefully they can do as much with acrylic.


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