Farmer's Jacks
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Pressed stag Simmons Hardware hornet series. Their hornet knives were manufactured mostly overseas in Germany, although I can see no mark of country of origin. I expect this one is before WWI ?
What we call pressed stag, so far = overseas.Resembles the Wostenholm (although it's not a Wostenholm) pictured ( top) together in the first scan.
What we call pressed stag, so far = overseas.Resembles the Wostenholm (although it's not a Wostenholm) pictured ( top) together in the first scan.
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Very nice, Lyle! I am sure you have looked closely, but is Germany perhaps obscured by the bolster?
Dan
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I just noticed that the hornet stamp on your knife is different from the normal hornet on the Germany knives. I also have a couple of Simmons knives with the same tang stamp as yours (I suspect that a "Co" is hidden by the bolster on yours), however neither of mine have a hornet stamp. Very interesting. Below is a pic of the usual Germany made stamp and the usual hornet.
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Beautiful Simmons Farmers Jack Lyle, congratulations!
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Thank you John for first pointing it out, shortly before Roger C notified me also. Thanks my friends. Thanks Jerry for your input too.
Thanks Dan, I thought this knife would interest you. I looked as close as I could, but couldn’t see any country. Could our knives have been manufactured prior to 1890,it’s possible with my knife ? Almost certainly overseas manufactured.
Thanks Dan, I thought this knife would interest you. I looked as close as I could, but couldn’t see any country. Could our knives have been manufactured prior to 1890,it’s possible with my knife ? Almost certainly overseas manufactured.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
GEC SFOs and others at LICK CREEK CUTLERY- www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wlf
May the Father and Son bless
Lyle
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Wow Lyle, what a great old knife. And in great condition. That one is a winner all the way around.
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Awesome FJ Lyle ... Nice score for your FJs - Excellent condition all the way around and great look to it !! ... Somewhat of a mystery too ...
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I would believe it could be possible with your knife. The more realistic hornet, as opposed to the triangular hornet on the Germany stamped knives, may indicate earlier manufacture?? Although, if it is indeed that old, where has it been stored to be in such fantastic condition? I assume you are saying your's is overseas manufactured due to the pressed stag handles? Mysteries aside, it is a beautiful knife and a great addition to your collection.wlf wrote:Thank you John for first pointing it out, shortly before Roger C notified me also. Thanks my friends. Thanks Jerry for your input too.
Thanks Dan, I thought this knife would interest you. I looked as close as I could, but couldn’t see any country. Could our knives have been manufactured prior to 1890,it’s possible with my knife ? Almost certainly overseas manufactured.
Of the 3 "Simmons Hardware Co" knives I have, two have fancy scrolled Keen Kutter etches and I believe were US (likely Walden?) manufactured. The one without an etch, has bone handles, which I believe are from the Walden Cutlery Handle Co., also indicating US manufacture.
Dan
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Knice addition to your exquisite FJ collection Lyle! ... and always neat to add another facet of an old brand's offerings...
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Managed to pick up a. small collection of Farmers Jacks, a decent Schrade Cut Co and 3 GEC's, been looking for the smooth ivory bone ever since they were first released.
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Very nice John!
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It looks like the cut had some influence on the young farmers, nice examples all of them.
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Nice score John ... Great group there!!
I’ve looked for a Lick Creek FJ but only seen a few - unfortunately the prices were abit more than I was willing to pay.. of course an old FJ of my liking would work too if I could find the right maker and locale ...
I’ve looked for a Lick Creek FJ but only seen a few - unfortunately the prices were abit more than I was willing to pay.. of course an old FJ of my liking would work too if I could find the right maker and locale ...
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picked this up at the market. ulster ,wright & wilhelmy.co. ?
not sure if it is a true farmers jack.
but is a good strong knife . with nice bone.
i would like any info on this knife.
thanks for looking.
not sure if it is a true farmers jack.
but is a good strong knife . with nice bone.
i would like any info on this knife.
thanks for looking.
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Very nice knife richard ... but not considered a Farmer’s Jack which would have a Hawkbill on one side and on opposite end a spey blade - imo your knife is a dogleg jack with nice bone handles ...richard wrote:picked this up at the market. ulster ,wright & wilhelmy.co. ?
not sure if it is a true farmers jack.
but is a good strong knife . with nice bone.
i would like any info on this knife.
thanks for looking.
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Quite the haul John. You picked up all three at once,congratulations.
The spey blade was a design I borrowed from NYK. The pruning blade is similar to Schrades , as it’s style was easier to run on GEC’s machine, at the time. It doesn’t have the longer elegant point, that so easily gets sharpened away.
Bill made the frame smaller than I would have, but he had whittler patterns in mind too and they are typically shorter than FJ’s.
The Cut is of the sturdiest FJ’s. But, it’s a design borrowed from Empire.
They are the only two such of all I’ve seen, unique ,in that the pruning blade pin is in the meat of the bolster, not the rat tail, all others I’ve seen. They did this by adding 1/8” to the standard 4” length of the frame.
Tony Bose has a J Rodgers that he brought to Lexington to show me. It is also 4 1/8” , very sturdy and chunky. I do not know if the pin is placed like the Empires and Schrades. It is different than other J Rodgers cuts I have seen, which seemed typical for FJ’s.
I went and checked my pictures, Tony Bose’s J Rodgers doesn’t even have rat tails in the bolsters, very pedestrian for FJ’s, especially a J Rodgers knife.
The spey blade was a design I borrowed from NYK. The pruning blade is similar to Schrades , as it’s style was easier to run on GEC’s machine, at the time. It doesn’t have the longer elegant point, that so easily gets sharpened away.
Bill made the frame smaller than I would have, but he had whittler patterns in mind too and they are typically shorter than FJ’s.
The Cut is of the sturdiest FJ’s. But, it’s a design borrowed from Empire.
They are the only two such of all I’ve seen, unique ,in that the pruning blade pin is in the meat of the bolster, not the rat tail, all others I’ve seen. They did this by adding 1/8” to the standard 4” length of the frame.
Tony Bose has a J Rodgers that he brought to Lexington to show me. It is also 4 1/8” , very sturdy and chunky. I do not know if the pin is placed like the Empires and Schrades. It is different than other J Rodgers cuts I have seen, which seemed typical for FJ’s.
I went and checked my pictures, Tony Bose’s J Rodgers doesn’t even have rat tails in the bolsters, very pedestrian for FJ’s, especially a J Rodgers knife.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
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Here is the big J Rodgers.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
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Lyle
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Thanks for everyone's comments on the Farmers jacks, appreciated, Lee the GEC's are hard to find, seems people are keeping them in their collections.wlf wrote:Here is the big J Rodgers.
Lyle, the Schrade's do seem to be sturdily built, I've handled a few that have had heavy use and they have no play whatsoever. That Rodgers is something else, besides the size it also looks like a straight back instead of serpentine, maybe just the picture. I can't remember ever seeing another. Were you able to acquire it?
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No John, Tony said he would have given it to me, but it was given to him. Pretty sure from what I remember it is a wharnclff frame, but with less curves, chunkier. Not the usually elegant J Rodgers knife and different from a cut I have of a J Rodgers below. One of the beefiest knives of all knives I've ever held.
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GEC SFOs and others at LICK CREEK CUTLERY- www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wlf
May the Father and Son bless
Lyle
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Lyle you have a great collection, I applaud you for being so dedicated to a niche pattern lol my collection is all over the map and I find myself wanting to try and focus my efforts in some way.
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Thanks for sharing the pic of the Rodgers Lyle ... Given I think I am seeing “Oil the Joints” I would guess this knife is +/- 1950?? Which prompts another question - what is the earliest FJ you have or when do you think the pattern came into existence??
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Yes, I can see the slight curve to it now, well at least you were able to get pictures of it.wlf wrote:No John, Tony said he would have given it to me, but it was given to him. Pretty sure from what I remember it is a wharnclff frame, but with less curves, chunkier. Not the usually elegant J Rodgers knife and different from a cut I have of a J Rodgers below. One of the beefiest knives of all knives I've ever held.
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Oh, and by the way that is a great Stag Wostenholm shown with it, gorgeous knife!