Pine Knot E-toe
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While I don't agree that it is authentic, I do not doubt Tony's knowledge of knives. Here is an old Pine Knot JNO. W. PRICE which I do believe is authentic. It would be great to get some more examples, especially with bone scales.
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Too bad you can`t supply me with the closeup picture of the tang stamp I requested or what the length of the knife in question is. You stick with your opinion, and now I am going to give you mine.ObsidianEdge wrote:As we all know, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I’ll stick with Tony’s (years of building knives, taking apart vintage patterns, etc.) opinion and the dealers at the show that vetted the knife in person.
Signing off on this one.
I will have to make due with the pictures I have to work with.
The major difference I see in the originals versus the fakes is:
First, the size of the bird head, the original is narrow the fakes are wide and do not resemble the original at all. I have also seen an original Pine Knot knife box with the same narrow bird head, matching the original tang stamps.
Second, look at the signature at the bottom, on the original the cursive writing flows evenly, the letter "O" connects to the letter "W" of the middle initial. The fakes all have the letter "W" separate from the adjacent letter "O", the cursive does not match.
Third, I have seen 5 originals so far with the recent addition of Beechtree`s example, all the tang stamps match very closely, some like on my example the stamp is off struck and it did not impress deeply or completely as many old originals will often do.
Look at the posted fakes, the tang stamps are all deeply and perfectly struck.
I went through the trouble, though I don`t know why I bother to do this stuff, to make a series of comparison photos for your viewing pleasure however the first one I made 2 years ago shows the difference in tang stamps the best and is really all you need as a reference IMO.
Thanks go out to Charlie Noyes and all the other members here whose knives I used to make the comparison photos
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MB, I appreciate your knowledge and you diligence. Also your
resources to check these things out for us. I could not see the
tang stamps clear until your last post. The old toe is still a nice
knife. What is it? Again thanks for your efforts.
Harold
resources to check these things out for us. I could not see the
tang stamps clear until your last post. The old toe is still a nice
knife. What is it? Again thanks for your efforts.
Harold
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Yes MB, I also really appreciate the effort. I know it takes quite a bit of time to get together, especially because the research work has been done even before you post these great reference pictures. This is a great reference and is a valuable asset to any who are trying to identify old Pine Knots.
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All I can say MB is you have a very good point. They are not the same at all,big deference in bird head size and font.
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Here is another pine knot stamp that i have found that is different from the earlier posted images. (Most people who have seen it in person think its real). Anyone know the history behind this one... I'll try to get better pictures soon. Even if opinion is fake...I'd still like to know more about it. I think the knife has been owned by the same guy for 40 years now. Are the fakes more recent?
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RobesonsRme.com wrote:The knife stamp illustrated in the comparison between authentic and fake that is ID'd as fake is mine and it is indeed fake.
However, the stamp on my fake and that toenail shown above are not the same. There are details in the bird's head that are present on the toenail, but not on my fake.
I don't know that the stamp on the knife ID'd as authentic is the only stamp Belknap ever used. They had Pine Knot knives made by different manufacturers. They didn't all use the same stamp.
That toenail Tony Bose bought looks awfully real to me.
Pics below. Expand the toenail to see the difference.
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I think the above stamp is real. Notice how the font on "pine knot" is smaller at the bottom of each letter anticipating the curve around the emblem.
Also, I've been told that the signature is one of the following:
Ja.W.Price
Jma W. Price
Jno.W.Price
Jas W. Price
Any idea on which is correct?
Found this interesting article as well.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 5086601830
Also, I've been told that the signature is one of the following:
Ja.W.Price
Jma W. Price
Jno.W.Price
Jas W. Price
Any idea on which is correct?
Found this interesting article as well.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 5086601830
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.....I got started reading all this and couldn't stop!!......all this is pretty interesting!!!!................. .............
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Here is one that i own. However, the tang stamp is never completely visible.... which makes me wonder if this was a parts knife reassembled.
Hyzer1911 wrote:I think the above stamp is real. Notice how the font on "pine knot" is smaller at the bottom of each letter anticipating the curve around the emblem.
Also, I've been told that the signature is one of the following:
Ja.W.Price
Jma W. Price
Jno.W.Price
Jas W. Price
Any idea on which is correct?
Found this interesting article as well.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 5086601830
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I was going through some old threads on here and came across this Pine Knot E toe thread.It was very interesting to read the thoughts on if this was a fake or real. I have this same toenail,I purchased it 1992 with 6 other knives at an antique shop.The owner said he was firm at $45 for all seven knives,wish I could find another deal like that.The pictures weren't clear with the OP knife,but mine looks to have the same bone jigging,I always thought the wormgroove bone looked like Robeson bone to me.I found some pics I took of it a while ago.
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That is one sweet toenail Scott ...
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I reread the entire thread. Hmmm?
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This is a great learning thread, and has taught me, "the truth is in the details."
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This is a Phoenix Knife Co. Made knife.knifegnome wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:37 am I was going through some old threads on here and came across this Pine Knot E toe thread.It was very interesting to read the thoughts on if this was a fake or real. I have this same toenail,I purchased it 1992 with 6 other knives at an antique shop.The owner said he was firm at $45 for all seven knives,wish I could find another deal like that.The pictures weren't clear with the OP knife,but mine looks to have the same bone jigging,I always thought the wormgroove bone looked like Robeson bone to me.I found some pics I took of it a while ago.
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Roger, did phoenix make these for pine knot, or was the pine knot made out of a phoenix? If you know what I mean.
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Paul,I'm not making a statement on the authenticity of the stamp.The knife was made in the Phoenix factory.They did extensive contract work.They were owned by John Chatillon and Sons.You see few Phoenix stamped knives,mostly Chatillon.I have seen Phoenix made toenails for Henry Sears,WR Case and Son,Union Razor,Wythe Hardware,McIntosh Heather,Tom Ray,Bridge,North American and others.
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Thanks for the information Roger, I 'm glad to know Phoenix made it as I am trying to collect them ,I only have two with the Phoenix tang stamp.