Wharncliffe Knives

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So, if "Wharncliffe" initially referred to a specific blade profile, I wonder at what point (and why) it subsequently became synonymous with a particular frame style as well?

I know there's been some discussion on this issue previously on AAPK, but I don't recall ever reading a definitive answer.

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QTCut5 wrote:So, if "Wharncliffe" initially referred to a specific blade profile, I wonder at what point (and why) it subsequently became synonymous with a particular frame style as well?

I know there's been some discussion on this issue previously on AAPK, but I don't recall ever reading a definitive answer.

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There was an article written in the June 2018 issue of "Knife Magazine" covering the history of the Wharncliffe knife.
Basically, both the blade and handle shape together create a true Wharncliffe knife.
Here is a "Wilds" Wharncliffe model from circa 1850 along with a few catalog illustrations from around the turn of the twentieth century.
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Here are three cuts from around 20's,Western cut is from 1921 catalog. There it is ,do with it as you see fit. Notice "Whorncliffe" in all three cuts.

1. Enderes
2. Utica I think made the Western and probably the Enderes
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Beautiful old knife, Mason! ::tu:: ::tu::
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This Challenge is the only vintage Wharncliffe I have in the collection.
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that is a beauty, John, great stag! ::tu::
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John that indeed is one beautiful wharncliffe Whittler and the stag is incredible ::tu:: ::tu::
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Duffer wrote:John that indeed is one beautiful wharncliffe Whittler and the stag is incredible ::tu:: ::tu::
danno50 wrote:that is a beauty, John, great stag! ::tu::
Lloyd,Dan, thank you very much.
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Wow John R, what a beauty.
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Nice old wharncliffe Neal ::tu:: ::tu:: ... the blade stamp is really 8) !!! I haven’t seen too many with that stamp - beautiful handles too ::nod:: ... I enjoyed your wharncliffe article ::tu:: ... I think over the years the term wharncliffe was used in different ways - some ads for wharncliffe handles and other blades as Lyle showed... I guess the original intent morphed over time as it has with other knife styles ::hmm:: ... or is it like what is a true whittler to a small extent at least these days....

Thanks for sharing those catalog cuts Lyle ::tu:: ::tu::

John - That is a beautiful example ::tu:: ::tu:: ... I watched that one on eBay very closely :) ... I think Jay had posted it as well for verification of it being a Challenge... definitely one of the nicest Challenge knives I have seen ::nod::
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That is one beautiful knife John. Thanks for sharing it!!
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What a beautiful knife, Neal. No bolster at the main blade and still intact after these long years. Pretty cool.

John, your knife is really special. I agree with Lee. It's one of the most beautiful Challenge knives I have seen.
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John, That's a beautiful Challenge. The stag on that knife is incredible.
Neal, the Wilds Wharncliffe is a real beauty. Super rare, have you ever seen another from this maker?
Thanks for sharing.
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Been carrying this CRKT PECK lately
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A little Miller Bros Pearl watch Fob. It's 2 1/8" closed.
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This Beretta 580 Sport Knife lays on the table beside my chair, on standby for any cutting duties that may arise. Gifted to me a year ago by ~Q~, thank you very much you kind generous soul.
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John Westons Celebrated Cutlery. Stag handles 3" closed. German? English? American? Can't find any info on this Maker.
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Peter Hendrichs & Grah. 3 1/2" closed. According to Goins 1922 to 1926.....What would you call this pattern?
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Jonathan Crookes Stag. 3 9/16" closed.
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All Awesome knives Barry ::tu:: ::tu:: That small Miller Bros is sweet and the Crookes has some stunning stag!! John Westons Celebrated I am just “guessing” English but maybe not Sheffield - or a very well made German “Sheffield wanna-be” :) ... not sure what to call the other Hendrich and Grah pattern - sort of a congress jack ::shrug:: ... 8) .. Thanks for posting those Barry!!

Jerry - Nice Berettas ::tu:: ... I’m not sure I would call the first one a wharncliffe blade ::shrug:: ... but the 2nd is no doubt right up your alley with handles similar to the mod Glen did for you!!
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Barry, those are some beautiful knives!!
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Wow Barry, those are all superb! I was going to write that I liked the Miller Bros best but I can't pick just one. Thanks for posting them. I had no luck with John Westons Celebrated Cutlery as well. I looked in Tweedale's, Carter, Goins and a couple of Sheffield lists. Maybe Bernard Levine knows?
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Thanks, danno50, Lee, Joe, and Barry.
Thanks also Lee for the kind words towards the Wharncliffe article. Beyond the history aspect, I tried to point out the importance and evolution of both the Wharncliffe handle and blade shapes.
I also wanted to add that there have been some great articles written by other AAPK members for "Knife Magazine" which include Lee (LongBlade), Tom (bestgear), and Wayne (btrwtr). There are certainly others here who have the knowledge base to write interesting articles as well, and I would encourage them to do so.
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Those are some stunning examples, Barry.
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