Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

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Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Absinthe » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:17 pm

Well, I have never laid hands on one, but I would love to. However, having seen now 2 different engineering drawings of them, I thought I could do a little CAD for them. One is from Harris' book on knife repair. And the other seems to be a very common image posted on pintrest and other places when the topic comes up. However, no one seems to give it any attribution. Looks like a page from a book. Anyway, here are my two renderings. If anyone is interested in making them I have the measured tech drawings in CAD as well.
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And here is the book page if anyone can shine a light on its origins...
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Jeffinn » Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:09 pm

I gave up looking for a stiddy years ago, they just aren’t available. Dale posted some pics awhile ago of stiddy’s made from pieces of railroad track. Seems like the way to go but I just can’t find the time to make one.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by OLDE CUTLER » Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:56 pm

Absinthe wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:17 pm
Well, I have never laid hands on one, but I would love to. However, having seen now 2 different engineering drawings of them, I thought I could do a little CAD for them. One is from Harris' book on knife repair. And the other seems to be a very common image posted on pintrest and other places when the topic comes up. However, no one seems to give it any attribution. Looks like a page from a book. Anyway, here are my two renderings. If anyone is interested in making them I have the measured tech drawings in CAD as well.

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And here is the book page if anyone can shine a light on its origins...
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That is page 19 of "The Complete Book of Pocketknife Repair" by Ben Kelley, copyright 1995.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by TwoFlowersLuggage » Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:08 am

Am I reading those dimensions correctly? The top face of the stiddy is only 1.5 inches wide? And the thin edge is only 0.0625 inches? Yikes, I didn't know they were that small. It makes sense, I'm just thinking that would be quite difficult to machine.

If someone has VERY deep pockets, 3D metal printing in D2 might be a good option: https://markforged.com/3d-printers/metal-x

Since you already have the CAD drawings, perhaps you could just upload them into their software, and 28 hours later a stiddy would be on its way to you! Let us know how that goes... ::tounge::
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Post by Reverand » Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:18 am

I also think it was Dale who said that he doesn't use one as much as he'd expected. Instead, used a larger chunk of steel for the anvil part, and when he needed a horn he locked a short piece of angle iron into a vice.
Then again, I am having more "senior moments" as time goes by. That is how I remember the thread, though I could be wrong.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Meridian_Mike » Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:32 am

I made my "stiddy" from a piece of RR rail. I generally only use mine while peening rivets.
The steel that RR rail is made of seems to be hard enough to take the pounding that a person will apply to an "anvil". Maybe a similar composition as tool steel??

SO.... If you could take a piece of RR rail and clamp it into a milling machine, then run a CNC program on it..... Well, maybe you could mass produce these cutlers anvils. OR maybe make one for yourself.
I highly doubt there is a large market for these BUT you might be able to sell a few. (Unless the price is prohibitive)

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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Absinthe » Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:04 pm

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:08 am
Am I reading those dimensions correctly? The top face of the stiddy is only 1.5 inches wide? And the thin edge is only 0.0625 inches? Yikes, I didn't know they were that small. It makes sense, I'm just thinking that would be quite difficult to machine.
The width in both designs is 1-1/2"
The length seems to be pretty consistent around 5"
The thin split flat horn for going inside pocket knives with the blades open is 1/8" thick.

What I have decided is that as a whole chunk there would be some serious waste of materials to simply machine it out of 1.5" x 3.5" x 5". Especially if one were to make it from something like A2, D2, etc. I think that as a product in machining, a piece 1/2" x 1-1/2" x 5" could be machined rather reasonably with the bottom support structure as a second piece, perhaps in 1018 or other mild steel.

Or even a buildup could be done, from 2 pieces of 1/8" and a piece of 1/4 where one piece of 1/8" was 5" long, and the other two pieces (1/8 and 1/4) were each 4" long. Having the longer piece sandwiched between the two shorter pieces and one end even across them all should give you a top, that could be screwed, epoxied, welded, or silver soldered together. Then a hefty chunk of anything could be attached below and voilà you are in business. Or in lieu of a base just have a tongue that could simply be held in a vise. I may try drawing that design up later today

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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by FRJ » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:18 pm

I have one made by caddyman1973 or his brother. A2 or D2? I do not know steels.
I bought mine from a second party.

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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Absinthe » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:10 pm

Okay, here is one anyone can make... :) It's "built up", and can be held in a vise. I did the drawing with 2 pieces of 1/4 and one piece of 1/8, but the only thing critical is the 1/8. I have seen designs where the step is 1/8 and others 1/4 so meh. I guess, use what you have. :) The 1/8 piece should be hardenable, and the top should be hardenable. Beyond that, I don't personally see why it couldn't be all A36 or 1018 or whatever.

Not sure how this all goes together. But you could certainly do whatever you like. Screws, silver solder, welding, probably even epoxy. Let me know :)
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Reverand » Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:22 pm

That looks like it would work super well!
I never thought if a build-up method - I made mine from a piece of short-line railroad track, and flattened the top on a belt sander. It took WAY too long.
I wish that I'd thought of this method.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by edge213 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:35 pm

Here is one that I have. A friend made it from a piece of railroad track.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by eveled » Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:39 pm

Everytime I see these, I wonder if you could make one from a straight claw framing hammer.

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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by eveled » Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:42 pm

Everytime I see these, I wonder if you could make one from a straight claw framing hammer.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by Meridian_Mike » Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:36 am

Speaking of using a hammer.......
My stiddy is a piece of RR rail with a part of a pry bar welded to the end. I welded the piece that has the 2 prongs sticking out to my piece of rail.

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The bar I used has more of a 90 degree bend. (I will see if I can find a picture)
I used weld metal to better form a 90 degree surface where it meets the rail.
Then, I used an angle grinder to thin the prongs so they would fit inside the the liners of a knife while it is still assembled. The steel that the pry bar is made of is strong enough so it won't bend even though it is that thin. Normal A36 of A572 steel will bent easily if it is that thin. Those types of steel are made to have elastic properties.
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Re: Stiddy, Steady, Cutler's Anvil

Post by orvet » Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:53 pm

Reverand wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:18 am
I also think it was Dale who said that he doesn't use one as much as he'd expected. Instead, used a larger chunk of steel for the anvil part, and when he needed a horn he locked a short piece of angle iron into a vice.
Then again, I am having more "senior moments" as time goes by. That is how I remember the thread, though I could be wrong.
I made a steady, but I don't use it as much as I thought I would, either.

You are correct Rev, I did say that.
A piece of 1-1/2" angle iron can be thinned enough to slide into a knife to tighten a loose handle pin. Remember the piece only needs to be as thin as the blade thickness, not necessarily as thin as the ground blade.
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