What Pattern Would You Call this Knife?

[Paladin]

This is a Hen & Rooster with a swell center, slight serpentine frame, very nice pearl handles, tip bolsters and 4 blades, none of which are a file blade. All of the blades have swedges and long pulls. I wanted to call it a gent's knife but without a file, that doesn't work for me. A Senator pen? I think the senator pen is supposed to be equal end and have straight sides. Is it a Wharncliffe pattern with 4 blades?
What say you?

Ray

[QTCut5]

Is it a Wharncliffe pattern with 4 blades?
What say you?

That was my first thought: a 4-blade Wharncliffe Whittler...or to be all-inclusive: a 4-blade Gentleman's Wharncliffe Whittler!

But, whatever you call it, it certainly is a beauty and very unique...don't think I've ever seen one quite like it before. Cool bolsters, too.

Curious: what is the closed length?

[Mumbleypeg]

I’m thinking it’s a double-ended swell-center serpentine jack with tipped bolsters. Ruled out wharncliffe because there’s no wharncliffe blade. Ruled out pen because it has a clip master (but it does have a pen blade, so I guess it could quailify ). Kind of an exaggerated serpentine shape so I wouldn’t quarrel with it being called a double-ended dogleg jack either. And I would say because of the MOP you could add :“gentleman’s” to the description also.

Gentleman’s MOP double-ended swell-center serpentine (or dogleg) jack with tip bolsters.

Call it what you will, it’s a nice knife in any case. I’m curious about the closed length too.

Ken

[Paladin]

Is it a Wharncliffe pattern with 4 blades?
What say you?

That was my first thought: a 4-blade Wharncliffe Whittler...or to be all-inclusive: a 4-blade Gentleman's Wharncliffe Whittler!

But, whatever you call it, it certainly is a beauty and very unique...don't think I've ever seen one quite like it before. Cool bolsters, too.

Curious: what is the closed length?

It measures 3 1/8th inches long. I agree, it is a beauty and I have never seen one like it either.

Ray

[FRJ]

Very nice folder, Ray.

[dlr110]

Very nice Ray!
Did you get a table in Belton yet?

[btrwtr]

I’d call it a 4 blade, serpentine, tip bolstered, candle end pen knife for short. Not sure what the long name would be.

[Paladin]

Very nice Ray!
Did you get a table in Belton yet?

David,
No table yet.

Ray

[hardman]

My vote would be double ended swell center sepentine jack.

But I wish I could call it "mine."

[RobesonsRme.com]

Seems to me, “Eureka” should be in there somewhere.

[Paladin]

Guys,
Thank you all for helping out on this.
I'm guess I am kinda relieved that it wasn't just me having trouble naming this pattern.

Thanks again,
Ray

[ea42]

With that swell bellow the center pin it's a dead ringer for a Norfolk pattern.

Eric

[Paladin]

Eric,
I had to look that one up. LG4 lists it in the appendix but I find no examples in the pages.

Ray

[danno50]

Beautiful knife, Ray.
In LG4, on page 255 there are pictures of two Norfolk pattern knives in the whittler configuration.

[Paladin]

Beautiful knife, Ray.
In LG4, on page 255 there are pictures of two Norfolk pattern knives in the whittler configuration.

Thanks, Danno. I checked 'em out and I'll swear, I don't believe I have ever run across that pattern before. Mine is close to that but with less extreme features. Maybe more flowing features would be the way to say it.

Ray

[1fartsmella]

Ray,
LG4 page 247 Swell Center Serpentine 4 blade pen knife. A real beauty, in super condition. And a first class maker.
A fine example!

[Paladin]

Ray,
LG4 page 247 Swell Center Serpentine 4 blade pen knife. A real beauty, in super condition. And a first class maker.
A fine example!

Hey! That is another possibility. I am inclined to describe the frame as a Wharncliffe, even without a Wharncliffe blade.

Ray

[1967redrider]

I have one of these at home (I think). Let me look and see if H&R put a name on the box.

. . . 'cuz we all know about the Camillus Whittler.

[Paladin]

I have one of these at home (I think). Let me look and see if H&R put a name on the box.

. . . 'cuz we all know about the Camillus Whittler.

Thank you, sir!

Ray

[ea42]

Eric,
I had to look that one up. LG4 lists it in the appendix but I find no examples in the pages.

Ray

Ray here ya go, this is from the old Schrade catalog since that's what I had handy. The Norfolk pattern is more akin to the Wharncliffe pattern with the addition of the swell at the center pin. They also have a pronounced size difference in the bolsters.

The previous suggestions of a serpentine swell center are also possible. That frame would be less curvy than a Norfolk, with a straighter top (front edge) and more curve at the backspring. The bolsters are also more uniform in size. Here's an example from Schrade, they called it a serpentine balloon pattern:

Eric

[Paladin]

Eric,
I had to look that one up. LG4 lists it in the appendix but I find no examples in the pages.

Ray

Ray here ya go, this is from the old Schrade catalog since that's what I had handy. The Norfolk pattern is more akin to the Wharncliffe pattern with the addition of the swell at the center pin. They also have a pronounced size difference in the bolsters.


Schrade catalog Norfolk pattern.jpg



The previous suggestions of a serpentine swell center are also possible. That frame would be less curvy than a Norfolk, with a straighter top (front edge) and more curve at the backspring. The bolsters are also more uniform in size. Here's an example from Schrade, they called it a serpentine balloon pattern:


Schrade catalog Serpentine Balloon pattern.jpg


Eric

Eric, This looks like a good possibility to me. Charlie's Eureka also is worth a mention as a good candidate.
I have reached information overload. I had no clue that I was opening Pandora's Box on this.

Ray

[1967redrider]

Well Ray, retailers are calling it a Whittler, go figure. I did a search on H&R 234-MOP, which is the pattern number on the box. Hope this helps!

I might add, lots of fire in the pearl on the one I have, very gorgeous.

[Paladin]

Well Ray, retailers are calling it a Whittler, go figure. I did a search on H&R 234-MOP, which is the pattern number on the box. Hope this helps!

I might add, lots of fire in the pearl on the one I have, very gorgeous.

Well, I guess that the simplest solution would have been the correct one but it sure doesn't seem right to me.
I sure appreciate everyone's help on this.

Ray

[Louisville.Boy1947]

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/ca ... mit=Search

I found this 'sold' knife by Sanders that is Deer Stag but looks like your frame without your MOP. I hope this helps.

[Mumbleypeg]

Then there’s always this one viewtopic.php?f=67&t=61809&p=1017430&hi ... 6#p1017212. Not candle-ended or tip bolsters, has similar but more exaggerated shape. I think Remington called this a humpback Lockback whittler (but it’s a whittler - can’t bring myself to call that H&R a whittler despite what the box says ).

This “clone” version of mine stamped Schatt & Morgan (made by Queen) also has the more exaggerated bulb on one end but does have a candle-end on the other.

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Ken