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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby knifegirl888 » Mon May 04, 2015 9:50 am

Richartz, Gebruder & Soehne used a whale as a stamp. BL4 states Solingen-Ohligs Germany 1900-pres.
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby jerryd6818 » Mon May 04, 2015 10:40 am

Thanks Kathy. Here's a little Richartz with the whale stamp. (would the person who gifted this knife to me, please jog my memory)
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby keithw » Wed May 13, 2015 8:09 pm

I've noticed several people in different posts ask about a tang stamp chart for Carl Schlieper / German Eye knives.
Ray (Paladin) has helped me many times with Eye questions, and I compiled a chart (sort of).
As most of you know, you can't say "Eye Brand knives used this tang stamp from 19xx to 19xx".
You have to take several things into account (tang stamp, shield, etch, etc.).

Here is what I came up with, I hope you find it useful.
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby junebug » Wed May 13, 2015 9:48 pm

8) ::ds:: AWESOME!
THANKS ,KEITH !!
THIS IS WHAT "WE" ARE LOOKING FOR IN THIS THREAD!!!

NOT , JUST A PIC OF A KNIFE ,OR ONE SINGLE STAMP.......HENCE THE TITLE "TANG STAMP CHARTS" ::tu::
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby mansolingen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:58 am

keithw wrote:I've noticed several people in different posts ask about a tang stamp chart for Carl Schlieper / German Eye knives.
Ray (Paladin) has helped me many times with Eye questions, and I compiled a chart (sort of).
As most of you know, you can't say "Eye Brand knives used this tang stamp from 19xx to 19xx".
You have to take several things into account (tang stamp, shield, etch, etc.).

Here is what I came up with, I hope you find it useful.
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Would this be considerd a straight line stamp ?

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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby mansolingen » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:01 am

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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby keithw » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:33 pm

mansolingen,

Even though they share some common tang stamps, I don't think you can apply any of the same rules to fixed blade Schlieper knives. I've seen lots of variations with them. Maybe someone can enlighten us.

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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby Paladin » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:45 pm

Here is a chart for dating Ka-Bar knives. I always struggled dating Ka-Bar and I borrowed this from Voyles.

KA-BAR Knives and dating them:

1898-Tideoute Cutlery Co. formed in Tideoute, PA

1902-Factory purchased by Wallace Brown, Started in Tideoute, PA as Union Razor Company

Union Razor Company, Tideoute mark used 1902-1909 (Equivalent in Case language--Case Brothers, W. R. Case &SON)

Union Cutlery Co. Tideoute marked knives were only made 1898-to approx. 1912. (Equivalent in Case language--Case Brothers, W. R. Case & Sons)

Union Cutlery Co. with North American outline 1912-1923 (Equivalent in Case language: W. R. Case & Sons, Case Bradford PA)

Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY 1912 first used.

OLCUT, and Keenwell also used first in the 20's.

After 1923--KA-BAR on main blade, and Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY on either the back of the blade if a single blade, or on one of the smaller blades. These will be referred the Union mark. If I state the Union mark it means the blade will be stamped "Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY" (Equivalent in Case Language: Case Tested)

After 1952 Union Cutlery Co. is no longer marked on the knives. (Equivalent in Case Language: XX and USA)

Kabar, USA was changed to in 1951

In the 70's a pattern number was added between the Kabar and the USA. (Equivalent in Case language: Case dots)
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:03 am

Regarding Schlieper Eye Brand knives does anyone know how far back this branding goes ? Have you ever seen an old one, meaning likely made before WW II ?
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby RobesonsRme.com » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:07 pm

LG-IV dates Carl Schlieper to 1769.

I have personally never seen one I thought was prior to WWII and certainly not 18th or 19th century.

I suspect there is a lot of research that could be done on the brand.

I do know one thing, their knives are first rate in materials and construction.

I have a very large "Sodbuster" style knife that my Dad gave me in 1961. Whether that predates Case's Sod Buster pattern, I do not know.

This knife has the strongest backspring I have ever encountered.

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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby Paladin » Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:23 am

RobesonsRme.com wrote:LG-IV dates Carl Schlieper to 1769.

I have personally never seen one I thought was prior to WWII and certainly not 18th or 19th century.

I suspect there is a lot of research that could be done on the brand.

I do know one thing, their knives are first rate in materials and construction.

I have a very large "Sodbuster" style knife that my Dad gave me in 1961. Whether that predates Case's Sod Buster pattern, I do not know.

This knife has the strongest backspring I have ever encountered.

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I have always maintained that Schlieper made the 1st sodbuster pattern based on design by Forest Cruse. Somehow the name was not copywrited, trade marked or whatever. According to the Dobbs article, Cruse did copywrite or trade mark the El Gallo name in 1956, so I know he was aware of the process.
I have seen only one or two Eye Brand knives that I suspected were made prior to WWII.
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:49 pm

What we call a 'Sod Buster' is Case's copy of a vintage German farmer's knife, single blade, wood handle, top bolsters, with a spearpoint-like blade, that goes back to at least 1900. These were made by many Solingen knife manufacturers. Schlieper began making the Sod Buster we know maybe in 1950's ? Were they making this German farmer's knife type pattern in 1900 ? Who knows ??
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby Mason » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:43 am

Paladin wrote:
RobesonsRme.com wrote:LG-IV dates Carl Schlieper to 1769.

I have personally never seen one I thought was prior to WWII and certainly not 18th or 19th century.

I suspect there is a lot of research that could be done on the brand.

I do know one thing, their knives are first rate in materials and construction.

I have a very large "Sodbuster" style knife that my Dad gave me in 1961. Whether that predates Case's Sod Buster pattern, I do not know.

This knife has the strongest backspring I have ever encountered.

Charlie


Charlie,
I have always maintained that Schlieper made the 1st sodbuster pattern based on design by Forest Cruse. Somehow the name was not copywrited, trade marked or whatever. According to the Dobbs article, Cruse did copywrite or trade mark the El Gallo name in 1956, so I know he was aware of the process.
I have seen only one or two Eye Brand knives that I suspected were made prior to WWII.
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While the sodbuster pattern does not show up in a pre WWII Schlieper catalog, they were available from F. Herder in the early 1900s and look very similar to Schlieper models.

And yes, you are correct that pre WWII Schlieper knives are uncommon but do exist here in the US.

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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby kootenay joe » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:11 am

There are also Schlieper fixed blades that were made for Schlieper in Japan. They still can have "Solingen" marked on them but not with "Made In" (Solingen or Germany). The two i have seen had "Japan" marked on the back tang. Both were of high fit & finish, classy looking knives.
The "Trophy" line shown above by a few posts, marked "Surgical Stainless" are knives that i have wondered if made 100% in Germany or if some or all of these "Trophy Line" knives are a Japan contract.
Anyone know for sure ? No guessing, no assumptions.
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Re: Tang Stamps Charts

Postby Kyreds57 » Sat May 28, 2016 1:49 pm

Well I will have to say that this is 1 of the best if not the best posts of all time! Just a great ideal! Thanks for posting this!!! ::tu::
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