British and Commonwealth Military Knives
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Thanks - I see jntroisi has a Canadian M&D stamped piece a bit farther up this page (actually middle of page 4). The size and style of mine is what made me figure WWI (the ebay listing also said WWI, but you never know - I tend to go by what I find out elsewhere on many occasions!). I'd pay a bit to get an M&D piece! Not too many Canadian issues pop up. I have my eye on one now and hope to pick it up.
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Here is the mark on my T. Turner knife.
I have never had one marked M&D, I will have to keep an eye out for one
I have never had one marked M&D, I will have to keep an eye out for one
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The M&D is the Militia and Defense mark used by the Canadian forces in WWI as their acceptance mark. By the time we hit WWII it was changed to the broad "C" encompassing the broad arrow (I have one coming Don't know exactly when the change was made. Nice Knife you have!
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My collection is small and I am now limiting myself to Canadian issued pieces. Here we are so far.
1914 Thomas Turner marked M & D Canada, alloy grips
George Wostenholm I*XL with no date (pre-WWI?), Broad "C" and arrow, blade has seen some use (grips? Hardened rubber? Don't know how to tell, but they certainly don't have a plastic feel to them)
Bone handle Camillus Cutlery 1915, with broad C & arrow (a bit disappointed when that one arrived - no snap at all to the blade and lots of wobble, but it looks good on the shelf in spite of the wear on the spearpoint blade and the lack of any proper action)
And an M.S. Ltd XX, Case M346 early post war (1948-49 per Flook's book)
Small, but growing.
1914 Thomas Turner marked M & D Canada, alloy grips
George Wostenholm I*XL with no date (pre-WWI?), Broad "C" and arrow, blade has seen some use (grips? Hardened rubber? Don't know how to tell, but they certainly don't have a plastic feel to them)
Bone handle Camillus Cutlery 1915, with broad C & arrow (a bit disappointed when that one arrived - no snap at all to the blade and lots of wobble, but it looks good on the shelf in spite of the wear on the spearpoint blade and the lack of any proper action)
And an M.S. Ltd XX, Case M346 early post war (1948-49 per Flook's book)
Small, but growing.
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Very nice I like them all
I especially like that bone handle Camillus
I need to find one of them myself
I especially like that bone handle Camillus
I need to find one of them myself
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I just saw a third pattern F-S for sale on eBay with no mold number on the handle but marked with the broad arrow and WD. At the time, I didn't think it was genuine but after seeing your T. Turner, I'm afraid I may have to change my mind. Strange there's no mold number on the handle of the F-S though.Miller Bro`s wrote:Here is the mark on my T. Turner knife.
I have never had one marked M&D, I will have to keep an eye out for one
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11021.m4 ... AUS%3A1123
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Dear,
I am from Croatia, and I have, in my collection hunter pocket Sheffield(Brokes&Crookes) knife, which was a gift, given in 1908., to one of my ancestor.
I am ready to offer this knife to collectors, so i am asking you, are you interested in buying this knife, which price can you offer?
If you are interested?
I am from Croatia, and I have, in my collection hunter pocket Sheffield(Brokes&Crookes) knife, which was a gift, given in 1908., to one of my ancestor.
I am ready to offer this knife to collectors, so i am asking you, are you interested in buying this knife, which price can you offer?
If you are interested?
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Something Newhomsimpson wrote:Dear,
I am from Croatia, and I have, in my collection hunter pocket Sheffield(Brokes&Crookes) knife, which was a gift, given in 1908., to one of my ancestor.
I am ready to offer this knife to collectors, so i am asking you, are you interested in buying this knife, which price can you offer?
If you are interested?
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to smiling knife:
is that a vintage? how do got that knife?
is that a vintage? how do got that knife?
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I carried a grey scaled knife like these in my tool box for years, it had german markings on it, wish i still had it but its long gone now nice pics guys
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I'm digging up this old thread because I made an impulse purchase on eBay this morning and I'm pretty sure it's not a "Vary Heavy Duty Nurseryman Pocket Knife" as it was listed.
I'm too impatient to wait until I get the knife in hand and see the marks so I'm curious what y'all can glean from the one picture that was in the listing.
British Army Knife w/service number painted on the handle and... ??
After spending a good bit of time on BritishBlades this morning, what seems to set it apart from some of the early or even pre-WWII knives is the extended fuller coming off the gullet of the can opener or "tin blade" as they call it. Comments?
I'll post more pictures and the marks later in the week when it shows up in my mailbox.
I'm too impatient to wait until I get the knife in hand and see the marks so I'm curious what y'all can glean from the one picture that was in the listing.
British Army Knife w/service number painted on the handle and... ??
After spending a good bit of time on BritishBlades this morning, what seems to set it apart from some of the early or even pre-WWII knives is the extended fuller coming off the gullet of the can opener or "tin blade" as they call it. Comments?
I'll post more pictures and the marks later in the week when it shows up in my mailbox.
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the old style can opener dates that one to 1945 or earlier.It looks like that one is stamped 1944.
I measure my collection by the ton.
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Thanks Robert. I've wanted one of these for quite some time and now I'll be doin' the pee pee dance until it gets here.
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"The #72 pattern has got to be pretty close to the perfect knife."
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Jerry,
What ever happened with this knife?
What ever happened with this knife?
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M346; W.R. Case & Son made this pattern knife for Canada during WWII ....According to Mr. Flook's book : "The World War Two period US Navy knives were made by W.R. Case...between 1940 and 1942 and bore the mark CASE XX on the blade. The knives made by Case during the war for the Canadians carried the CASE XX METAL STAMPINGS LTD mark...The early POST-WAR Canadian made knives were produced between 1948 and 1949 by the Case subsidiary W.R. Case and Sons of Canada Ltd, Pictou, Nova Scotia. These knives bear the M.S. LTD XX mark."
Closed Length: 4 7/8 inches
1) Sheepfoot: 3 3/4 inches
2) Marlin Spike 4 inches
3) Punch Blade 1 5/8 inches
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Closed Length: 4 7/8 inches
1) Sheepfoot: 3 3/4 inches
2) Marlin Spike 4 inches
3) Punch Blade 1 5/8 inches
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Dimitri, it turned out to be most likely made in India and not a real BAK. These were apparently imported by a company in New Jersey that has a reputation for selling such things as F-S "look alikes", if ya catch my drift.Miller Bro`s wrote:Jerry,
What ever happened with this knife?
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There are British Army Knives made in India for their forces there. I have several of them. They are genuine but just made in India. Some are pretty good but quality in general isn't as good.
I measure my collection by the ton.
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Ahh, India and Pakistan. The middle eastern bosom of quality.
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Hi Steve;
Came across this yesterday. My limited materials say it might be a Government redo in the late 30's of maybe the 1888p bayonet into a Trench Knife for the fighters in the Trenches.
From the looks of the stitching the sheath may possibly be correct. Why don't you give all of us the straight scoop. You Brits just did a hell of a good job of marking your tools of war.
Being that no one has posted yet I will add this URL I just found. Mine appears to be in a bit better condition.
http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/ful ... 0knife.jpg
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Came across this yesterday. My limited materials say it might be a Government redo in the late 30's of maybe the 1888p bayonet into a Trench Knife for the fighters in the Trenches.
From the looks of the stitching the sheath may possibly be correct. Why don't you give all of us the straight scoop. You Brits just did a hell of a good job of marking your tools of war.
Being that no one has posted yet I will add this URL I just found. Mine appears to be in a bit better condition.
http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/ful ... 0knife.jpg
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Alright. I have absolutely no idea what or how old this is. It just somehow ended up in my possession some years ago. I had it sitting on my dresser, bugging me to sell it.
Ok, so this is an old pocket knife attached to a (broken necklace?) chain of 15 carat gold..
I was going to see the gold today and got offered around 505 pounds.. but seeings as I had never heard of 15 carat being used i did some research. Turns out that it is actually pretty rare - it means that it would have to have been made before 1932 but later than 1856 in England. I then had a closer inspection of the knife. It has no engravings other than 'made in sheffield england.'
It looks extraordinarily old and if full of old leaves.... the blades are a nuisance to open. I would love to know if this would be of any value or worth keeping? Maybe there is a story behind it? My grandmother said the chain could have been attached to a fob watch? who knows...
Ok, so this is an old pocket knife attached to a (broken necklace?) chain of 15 carat gold..
I was going to see the gold today and got offered around 505 pounds.. but seeings as I had never heard of 15 carat being used i did some research. Turns out that it is actually pretty rare - it means that it would have to have been made before 1932 but later than 1856 in England. I then had a closer inspection of the knife. It has no engravings other than 'made in sheffield england.'
It looks extraordinarily old and if full of old leaves.... the blades are a nuisance to open. I would love to know if this would be of any value or worth keeping? Maybe there is a story behind it? My grandmother said the chain could have been attached to a fob watch? who knows...
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Hi Guys
Just a small contribution to this thread.
Here are some of the main patterns of Clasp Knives issued by the British during WW1.
Australia had no cutlery industry at that time. Evidence suggests that Australian troops were supplied with the same knives as their British counterparts.
There were some minor variations on these patterns, mostly in the scale material.
8173/1914, 6353/1905, AP301
Regards Dutchy
Just a small contribution to this thread.
Here are some of the main patterns of Clasp Knives issued by the British during WW1.
Australia had no cutlery industry at that time. Evidence suggests that Australian troops were supplied with the same knives as their British counterparts.
There were some minor variations on these patterns, mostly in the scale material.
8173/1914, 6353/1905, AP301
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Nice collection and welcome to AAPKdutchy357 wrote:dutchy357
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Thanks ShearerShearer wrote: Nice collection and welcome to AAPK
I hang out at the ABF most of the time.
However, the only way I am going to learn more about the knives I collect is to widen my field of contacts.
I am sure that there are members here who will be able to assist me.
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WWI pattern army knives made from 1905 to 1939.
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