British and Commonwealth Military Knives

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby smiling-knife » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:00 pm

Yes, nice Wostenholm. Thanks for adding it to the thread. :-)
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby tjmurphy » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:10 pm

Do you know if this knife is common or not? This is the very first one I've seen in all my searches.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby smiling-knife » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:15 pm

I've seen a few but they are rarer than some of the common patterns shown earlier. You did well to find that one. Congrats!
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby smiling-knife » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:20 pm

sakoblade wrote:Now I'm smiling too Mr smiling-knife! :D

Thanks for the pics and the history! I will certainly keep looking for British knives but they are not easy to find over here.

By the way, is there any good reference litterature out there?

Cheers!

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Hi Jim, Ron Flook's book British and Commonwealth Military Knives is an excellent resource. :-)
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby sakoblade » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:09 am

smiling-knife wrote:
sakoblade wrote:Now I'm smiling too Mr smiling-knife! :D

Thanks for the pics and the history! I will certainly keep looking for British knives but they are not easy to find over here.

By the way, is there any good reference litterature out there?

Cheers!

Jim


Hi Jim, Ron Flook's book British and Commonwealth Military Knives is an excellent resource. :-)


Thanks a lot! Will try to find it ASAP!

Have a great weekend!

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby mac657 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:26 am

Hello all,

I've just received this Wostenholm knife from my father. It belonged to his father who served in the British army during WW2 with the Royal Engineers.

My limited research would indicate that it is a Canadian knife, which would be possible as he served alongside the Canadians in 30 corps in NW europe, is that right ?

Also, what is the number stamp on the marlin spike for ? My initial thought was that it is a soldiers service number.

Thanks for looking,

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:11 pm

Welcome to AAPK Mac. I have very little expertise regarding British Commonwealth military knives.

Do you see a MoD ownership stamp on it anywhere (see image below). I think you're on to something Re: the service number. It appears to be stamped with individual hand stamps. The two I have are stamped with the year (1943) and the MoD broad arrow on the main blade tang.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby mac657 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:41 pm

Thanks for looking and reminding me Jerry !

I did mean to say that there is not an MOD 'crows foot' on it, although i believe this was not that unusual ?

I'm going to post on a WW2 forum that i use regarding the possible service number.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby Eustace » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:36 am

As far as I know, until 1964, the British Army and Navy are separate structures. The knives ordered by the army are stamped with arrow and year on the blade or the can opener, and the knives ordered by the admiralty are stamped with number on marlin spike.
Another thing I've read somewhere is that the knives ordered by the navy never have a can opener because the ships have a galley, and the sailors have not given cans.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby Eustace » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:53 am

My British army knives
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby jerryd6818 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:10 pm

I just scrolled through the thread and discovered I haven't posted my BAK's and Fairbairn Sykes. The India BAK I did post went to a new home in a POS roundtable and now I regret that decision. The things we do out of ignorance.

Both are 1943. One with the marlin spike, the other without.

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This Fairbairn Sykes, nine ring "rings and beads" is a scarce edition, made even more so because most were private purchase and this one has the MoD broad arrow and inspectors stamp, meaning it was a government purchase and issued. There is another one with six rings that is even more scarce. In fact it's so rare the even pictures of it are rare.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby tjmurphy » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:55 am

Were ALL British military issued knives marked with the broad arrow or inspection/serial number?
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby jerryd6818 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:43 pm

tjmurphy wrote:Were ALL British military issued knives marked with the broad arrow or inspection/serial number?

The "Broad Arrow" (sometimes called "crow's foot") is a mark used by the British government from at least the 17th century to designate government ownership. Read the "Use for British Government property" section on Wikipedia ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_arrow

The Inspector's number seems common on WWII F/S knives but I don't recall seeing it on BAK folders but then I've only seen a few of those. As for "serial number", are you referring to the service member's serial number?
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby tjmurphy » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:34 pm

This is the knife I am wondering about. It has the earmarks of WWII issue: black, checkered plastic handles, all steel construction and bird's-eye rivot with no bolsters, same build features as the WWII knives posted. Think it's WWII issue or post WWII civilian sales? No broad arrow stamping.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby jerryd6818 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:15 pm

T.J. it just hit me you already know all that stuff I posted. I apologize for treating you like a newbie. ::facepalm::

Compare the handle material to that of the ones you already have. Does it look the same? It's just from a picture but I'm thinkin' no. Plus, no crow's foot would mark it as post WWII civilian sales? Until proved otherwise, I'm going with that.

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