British and Commonwealth Military Knives

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby tjmurphy » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:41 pm

Only have one other British WWII knife and it is a different breed of cat. Not a knife at all but a lineman's knife with slick handles. I'm kind of inclined to go along with the post WWII, but don't know how "post" it is. Yeh, where's those Brits when ya need 'em?? Maybe they're from across the channel :lol:

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby Treasure Trawler » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:02 pm

Can any of you guys educate me on this pocket knife? I know it was only made between 1914-1916 but I can’t seem to find anything that says if it was used during WW1. No arrows or serial numbers on knife. There is an “R” Appreciate the help.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby cottage hill bill » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:16 pm

That is a maker I haven't seen before but it certainly fits the 6353/1905 pattern. It is pretty common to find them unmarked. Some have the soldier's service number, a few have the broad arrow usually on the marlin spike. The exception seems to be the Canadian knives. I have several Camillus and Schatt & Morgans and the majority of those have the C/|\ on the spike.

Now I'll have to go look through them and see what the balance. Most of the Boer War era knives I have has a service number burned into the scales.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby Eustace » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:37 pm

The photos are from a Bulgarian online trading site. The manufacturer is clear. What is this knife and why there is a British military mark? It looks more like a kitchen than a military knife.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby cottage hill bill » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:13 am

It most likely is a kitchen knife. The broadarrow /|\ is the British government property mark. It was used by all branches of the government, not just the military. However, the military did use kitchen knives. Feeding soldiers is a big part of the military. I have a nicely marked meat cleaver. Given that there were British troops in Greece and the Balkans during WWII it wouldn't surprise me to see it turn up in Bulgaria. Looks like a nice, useful knife.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby Eustace » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:53 pm

cottage hill bill wrote:It most likely is a kitchen knife. The broadarrow /|\ is the British government property mark. It was used by all branches of the government, not just the military.


Thank you, CHB! This is new for me, I thought, that this is a military stamp. I have some British Army pocket knives with the same markings.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby cottage hill bill » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:59 am

Yes, the stamp means it belongs to the government, and since the military is a part of the government, you get the idea. Two arrows stamped point to point was the mark that meant it had been released from government service, for instance sold off as surplus.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby knife7knut » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:10 pm

Not sure if this is a military issue knife but I have seen one posted somewhere and I can't remember where.
Marked C.J.(Christopher Johnson)in a flag Western Works Sheffield on one side and Hand Forged England on the other. No sheath. Paid $30 for it at a yard sale today. Seems to be in decent shape. Anyone have any info on it? Nothing in the books I have.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby cottage hill bill » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:46 pm

Just about all the big British cutlers jumped on the Fairbairn-Sykes band wagon during and after the war. British officers had to purchase their own gear so there was a much bigger market for "private purchase" items than in the US army. Nowill, Rodgers and several others offered knives with a FS style blade and either stacked leather washer (like yours) or bone/stag handles. Yours appears to have been liberally sharpened and maybe repointed in its life. These knives carried on post war being offered as hunting knives so could date anywhere from the 40s to the 60s.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby sailingmaster » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:16 pm

I have had this knife for most of 60 years. My mother gave it to me and said it was from my stepfather and he used it in WWII. He died due to food poisoning and he just made it back to Canada before he died. It is marked on the can opener with “L.D. (arrow pointing up) followed by “218”.
Beside that is another mark at 135 degrees to the first reading “H.O. 44” Th “O” is slightly missing at the top and so it could be a “U”. Unlike a lot of the pictures posted under this heading, the rivets are not very noticeable. Also unlike other knives shown, there doesn’t appear to be any markings at the base of the main blade or anywhere on the marlin spike. Anyone have any info on this knife?
I would like to give it a good cleaning. There is rust deposit in the slots and the checking is compacted with foreign material in several places. Is there a best method of cleaning and lubricating the knife? It is difficult to swing the blade and can opener to the open position. The marlin spike is easier to open.
Thanks for your knowledge and advice.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:13 pm

cottage hill bill wrote:Yes, the stamp means it belongs to the government, and since the military is a part of the government, you get the idea. Two arrows stamped point to point was the mark that meant it had been released from government service, for instance sold off as surplus.

I did not know that nor have I ever seen it. Good information and good to know. Makes me wonder why the F/S knives that were sent to the States after WWII were not marked in that manner. (They were just marked "England") ::hmm:: Another knife world mystery.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby cottage hill bill » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:40 pm

Probably commercial production. Issue FS knives did have a /|\ on the crossguard. Some wartime models may not have had, FS aren't my specialty, there are some dedicated FS sites around, should be easy to Google.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby jerryd6818 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:21 pm

I have an F/S Bead & Ring which is marked 'England' on both the knife and the sheath. I did a LOT of research on that knife, saw a lot of F/S's, 1st Pattern, 2nd Pattern, 3rd Pattern, etc,etc. NEVER saw one with the point to point broad arrow. Am I an expert? No but at one time I did know quite a bit about them. Age has robbed me of much of that knowledge.
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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby cottage hill bill » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:13 am

The point-to-point or opposing broad arrows were one of the sold-out-of-service (SOS) marks used. It was used to mark items that were released from government ownership, what we would call sold as surplus. I've never seen any British issue knife, fixed or folding blade with a SOS mark.

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Re: British and Commonwealth Military Knives

Postby galvanic1882 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:21 pm

I picked up this knife and was wondering if it was a WW2 military piece? I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was an oss knife? It’s 4 3/4” closed and had Made in England on the handle with no other marking.

I sent a picture to Bernard Levine and this was his response.

"Ron Flook says batches of these turned up recently on the Military surplus market in the UK. Some unmarked, others marked like yours. No issue, property, or branch markings. And no surviving records of them being issued.

He notes that some sources call them RAF knives from late in WWII. Others call them OSS or SOE.

But none of these attributions is documented.

pp 148-149 of his British and Commonwealth Military Knives.

BRL..."

I see in earlier posts in this thread that the book Bernard was talking about was also discussed here. I don't have a copy and would love to see pages 148-149?? If anyone has a copy of it please let me know.
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