GEC#29 Stockyard Whittler knife 2019
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John, is that huge tree a Black Locust ?
I would like to see a picture of an Osage Orange tree as well. Thanks for posting some information about this tree/wood Ken.
I have not heard of it growing in Canada. I used split cedar for my fence posts and now 35 years later they have all rotted off right at ground level.
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I would like to see a picture of an Osage Orange tree as well. Thanks for posting some information about this tree/wood Ken.
I have not heard of it growing in Canada. I used split cedar for my fence posts and now 35 years later they have all rotted off right at ground level.
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Am I making a mistake in not buying one of these with the acrylic handles? I have passed twice on these. I was unable to sign up for the early reserve, we were in the middle of putting our dog down when that came out. I keep hoping I will be able to get one in snakewood, but beginning to wonder if I might miss out by passing on these. Any idea how many snakewood were made and which dealers will have them? I’m just not impressed with these acrylic handles. But having one of those would be better than missing out all together.
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Those were Osage Orange pictures; tree and fruit. Every now and then while hiking around Virginia and Western MD I'll see the "fruit" on the ground, about the size of large grapefruit.kootenay joe wrote:John, is that huge tree a Black Locust ?
I would like to see a picture of an Osage Orange tree as well. Thanks for posting some information about this tree/wood Ken.
I have not heard of it growing in Canada. I used split cedar for my fence posts and now 35 years later they have all rotted off right at ground level.
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I don't think you're missing anything by passing on the grits, butter and molasses. That's one butt ugly handle if you ask me. $125 FOR THAT . no,no,no!Sharpnshinyknives wrote:Am I making a mistake in not buying one of these with the acrylic handles? I have passed twice on these. I was unable to sign up for the early reserve, we were in the middle of putting our dog down when that came out. I keep hoping I will be able to get one in snakewood, but beginning to wonder if I might miss out by passing on these. Any idea how many snakewood were made and which dealers will have them? I’m just not impressed with these acrylic handles. But having one of those would be better than missing out all together.
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Perhaps this is the best way to look at Whittlers. Excepting three long blade whittlers that require three springs, all assemblies other than split backs are for manufacturing cost reduction. While GEC collectors begging for rationalizations to add to their collection obviously are not seeking lower cost, some of us appreciate less expensive knives. My eBay NIB three spring Case 6308 and 6347 Whittlers cost me under $35 and $40 respectively. They have the same blades that case has used to assemble those patterns as split back since at least 1990. Good luck finding Case NIB split backs for under $40.kootenay joe wrote:Good picture 67rr. Shows the master blade to be quite 'stout', and secondaries are not especially thin and they all fit without a wedge center divider.
I still do not understand why some whittlers need a center wedge and others like the above CSC, don't.
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By the way, Queen made Canoe Whittlers with normal thin blades. If my memory is any good mine is a split back.
To get this thread back on track I'll add that I do not know of any other new carbon steel knives that have a sheep's foot and punch secondaries. Getting an other wise unavailable selection of blades in the size of knife you want is good reason to pay GEC's prices. Using three springs was a way for GEC to get around the cost of assembling split backs that does not require extra thick blade stock.
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TSA Knives just listed about one dozen of the Stockyard Whittlers in its online store.
Nice looking knives and about 3 of them have been sold already.
Nice looking knives and about 3 of them have been sold already.
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Mark, you might like the Coffee House Acrylic better. So far this pic is all we've got but it will probably look pretty good when finished. I'm trying to imagine the flat section on that piece on the far left all polished up and I'm liking what my brain is seeing.Sharpnshinyknives wrote:Am I making a mistake in not buying one of these with the acrylic handles? I have passed twice on these. I was unable to sign up for the early reserve, we were in the middle of putting our dog down when that came out. I keep hoping I will be able to get one in snakewood, but beginning to wonder if I might miss out by passing on these. Any idea how many snakewood were made and which dealers will have them? I’m just not impressed with these acrylic handles. But having one of those would be better than missing out all together.
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Hello Gents, been a while since I’ve been on (life and what not)
Love the wealth of information you guys bring to this forum. Didn’t know that about whittlers or Osage wood. I just recently picked up one of these 29’s in Osage wood and I love the feel of it in hand. I also like the blade length on the main blade but... I do have a an issue. When I started using it I realized that there is blade play on that main blade and it’s just enough to bother me. I was wondering if anyone else who has picked up one of these has experienced the same issue and is that something that GEC would be able to tighten up or is that just generally a non fixable defect in the knife? I haven’t experienced this so far with other patterns I’ve gotten and use on a regular basis.
Love the wealth of information you guys bring to this forum. Didn’t know that about whittlers or Osage wood. I just recently picked up one of these 29’s in Osage wood and I love the feel of it in hand. I also like the blade length on the main blade but... I do have a an issue. When I started using it I realized that there is blade play on that main blade and it’s just enough to bother me. I was wondering if anyone else who has picked up one of these has experienced the same issue and is that something that GEC would be able to tighten up or is that just generally a non fixable defect in the knife? I haven’t experienced this so far with other patterns I’ve gotten and use on a regular basis.
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JET79, i do not yet have one of these but i too am bothered by blade play so i hope a bunch of #29 owners reply so we can find out how common this is. With old knives i have gently squeezed the bolsters/pivot pin in a vice. Sometimes this has removed blade play but i don't recommend this for a new knife. I think you should contact GEC and see what they suggest.
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I have 2 29s so far, both are acrylic though. I just checked the blades on them, and neither had any play. I have not used either one yet though.kootenay joe wrote:JET79, i do not yet have one of these but i too am bothered by blade play so i hope a bunch of #29 owners reply so we can find out how common this is. With old knives i have gently squeezed the bolsters/pivot pin in a vice. Sometimes this has removed blade play but i don't recommend this for a new knife. I think you should contact GEC and see what they suggest.
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I would definitely contact GEC to ask about them fixing it. It may take a little bit longer than normal to get it done right now due to the rendezvous later this week, but I imagine they'll fix you up.
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I've handled two 29's and nether one had any side to side play, on all blades. Now the pull on the main blade could by a bit stronger, but thats just my taste, pull on the other blades is very nice. I am impressed on the fit and finish and like the way it feels in hand although the extra width could make it feel a little bulky in pocket.
I'm not sure why they call it a whittler, wouldn't it be a cattle knife ?
I'm not sure why they call it a whittler, wouldn't it be a cattle knife ?
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I agree it could be a Cattle except a Cattle knife should have a Spear Point master blade. You could say "3 spring Cattle Whittler", but a Whittler by definition has 2 springs, and master bears on both. Since this knife has neither of the defining features of a whittler knife, we really should just drop any reference to "whittler".
This pattern needs it's own name. Any good suggestions ?
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This pattern needs it's own name. Any good suggestions ?
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call it what you will. I bought it because I'm now a full blown dead walkin GEC zombie. All I know is I like it a whole lot better in person. feels great and Hedgeapple wood is very attractive.
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Is "Hedgeapple" Osage Orange ?
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The #29 Burnt Sienna jigged bone knives are selling out fast. (400) pieces each
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The SFO #29 stockyard whittler Coffee house acrylic knives are finished and ready to be shipped out soon.
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1. A "cattle knife" should have a spey blade. Unfortunately the term has come to be more based on the shape of the frame than on its original purpose.
2. Yes, "hedgeapple" is the same tree as Osage Orange. The tree has dense orange colored wood, nearly impervious to decay, rot and insects. It was originally native to the middle part of the continental U.S. Widely prized by native Americans for use in making bows, hence its also being known as "Bois d'Arc" (wood of the bow) which was a name given the tree by French trappers who also traded with the native tribes. Because native American tribes (attributed to the Osage tribe) traded the wood and seed with other tribes the tree was spread geographically to other areas, and another of its names "Osage Orange".
However probably the biggest contributor to its spread is the trees' thorns and dense growth habit, which made it useful to farmers and homesteads as a barrier fence or "hedge row" . If planted in a solid row it becomes a near impenetrable barrier. Hence another name for the tree - "Hedge" . Farmers and ranchers also used the tree for making fence posts and for use as foundation piers for buildings. When burned the wood has extremely high BTU but it also pops and throws off sparks/cinders so needs a good screen or enclosure.
Following the Depression Era "dustbowl" the U.S. government promoted planting of the tree in rows as shelter belts from wind. Female trees bear fruit which is round pale green and softball-sized. Hence another name for the tree is "hedgeapple" . Although not a preferred food for livestock, horses and cattle will sometimes eat the fruit which gave it yet another common name, "Horse Apple".
Same tree, many uses, many names. More than you wanted to know I suspect. And it does make nice knife handle covers. Should be near-indestructible.
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2. Yes, "hedgeapple" is the same tree as Osage Orange. The tree has dense orange colored wood, nearly impervious to decay, rot and insects. It was originally native to the middle part of the continental U.S. Widely prized by native Americans for use in making bows, hence its also being known as "Bois d'Arc" (wood of the bow) which was a name given the tree by French trappers who also traded with the native tribes. Because native American tribes (attributed to the Osage tribe) traded the wood and seed with other tribes the tree was spread geographically to other areas, and another of its names "Osage Orange".
However probably the biggest contributor to its spread is the trees' thorns and dense growth habit, which made it useful to farmers and homesteads as a barrier fence or "hedge row" . If planted in a solid row it becomes a near impenetrable barrier. Hence another name for the tree - "Hedge" . Farmers and ranchers also used the tree for making fence posts and for use as foundation piers for buildings. When burned the wood has extremely high BTU but it also pops and throws off sparks/cinders so needs a good screen or enclosure.
Following the Depression Era "dustbowl" the U.S. government promoted planting of the tree in rows as shelter belts from wind. Female trees bear fruit which is round pale green and softball-sized. Hence another name for the tree is "hedgeapple" . Although not a preferred food for livestock, horses and cattle will sometimes eat the fruit which gave it yet another common name, "Horse Apple".
Same tree, many uses, many names. More than you wanted to know I suspect. And it does make nice knife handle covers. Should be near-indestructible.
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Ken, what an informative piece. I've known Bois d'Arc trees all my life and now I know the why in their name. Horse apples make good targets.Mumbleypeg wrote:1. A "cattle knife" should have a spey blade. Unfortunately the term has come to be more based on the shape of the frame than on its original purpose.
2. Yes, "hedgeapple" is the same tree as Osage Orange. The tree has dense orange colored wood, nearly impervious to decay, rot and insects. It was originally native to the middle part of the continental U.S. Widely prized by native Americans for use in making bows, hence its also being known as "Bois d'Arc" (wood of the bow) which was a name given the tree by French trappers who also traded with the native tribes. Because native American tribes (attributed to the Osage tribe) traded the wood and seed with other tribes the tree was spread geographically to other areas, and another of its names "Osage Orange".
However probably the biggest contributor to its spread is the trees' thorns and dense growth habit, which made it useful to farmers and homesteads as a barrier fence or "hedge row" . If planted in a solid row it becomes a near impenetrable barrier. Hence another name for the tree - "Hedge" . Farmers and ranchers also used the tree for making fence posts and for use as foundation piers for buildings. When burned the wood has extremely high BTU but it also pops and throws off sparks/cinders so needs a good screen or enclosure.
Following the Depression Era "dustbowl" the U.S. government promoted planting of the tree in rows as shelter belts from wind. Female trees bear fruit which is round pale green and softball-sized. Hence another name for the tree is "hedgeapple" . Although not a preferred food for livestock, horses and cattle will sometimes eat the fruit which gave it yet another common name, "Horse Apple".
Same tree, many uses, many names. More than you wanted to know I suspect. And it does make nice knife handle covers. Should be near-indestructible.
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Thanks Ken. Not more than i wanted to know but more than i knew there was to know. All very interesting. The pictures of the #29 with this wood make it look rather plain and not interesting. Likely better in person when you can see the grain. Vintage USA knives with wood handles are either ebony or cocobolo. Wonder why Osage Orange was not used as it is a native USA tree and likely easier to obtain and cheaper to buy.
I would like to get some seeds and see if they can survive in Southern B.C. now that our winters have become rather mild.
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I would like to get some seeds and see if they can survive in Southern B.C. now that our winters have become rather mild.
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Roland, some people consider them 'weed' trees as they are so thorny and so messy. They produce a lot of their 'fruit' that has a milky issue when bruised and they rot on the ground. You might not want them after they start. IMO.kootenay joe wrote:Thanks Ken. Not more than i wanted to know but more than i knew there was to know. All very interesting. The pictures of the #29 with this wood make it look rather plain and not interesting. Likely better in person when you can see the grain. Vintage USA knives with wood handles are either ebony or cocobolo. Wonder why Osage Orange was not used as it is a native USA tree and likely easier to obtain and cheaper to buy.
I would like to get some seeds and see if they can survive in Southern B.C. now that our winters have become rather mild.
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I have an area i call my 'arboretum' or Tree Garden and i have a number of different deciduous species in there. It is not right by the house or sheds or parking. Horse Chestnuts also have a spiny outer casing as do Chestnuts (Castanea). If the O.O. will grow here it would fit right in with the other 'spiney droppers'.
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Bois d'Arc wood was once used for agricultural tool handles. Of recent it has been used for knife handles - not sure why it hasn't been used more for that purpose. Here's a couple of recent knives from Moore Maker and Case showing the wood's appearance. I'd expect due to its hardness it would take a good polished appearance and become even better with handling. I would also expect the bois d'Arc handles on GEC knives to look similar.
http://www.phoenixcommotion.com/informa ... arc-trees/
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Just for fun here's an interesting and somewhat whimsical article I found about the tree Ken
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Really liking this pattern, a 3 spring knife that is no wider than a lot of 2 spring knives.
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I guess you do like this pattern as you have 5 already. To me the Tidioute in Osage Orange wood looks too 'plain': bolsters not grooved, no swages on blades, plain shield and plain looking wood. The others all have details that add interest to how they look. For example the acrylic Tidioute has color and swirls in the handles, etc.
Does anyone else also feel the Osage Orange just looks too 'plain' ?
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Does anyone else also feel the Osage Orange just looks too 'plain' ?
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Osage Orange was the only one I wanted. I think the character of the wood & the satin bolsters go well together. My covers have a nice dark grain that stands put over all the other aspects of the knife. I’m almost staying away from Northfield’s because of the polished blades. Just my tastes changing I guess.kootenay joe wrote:I guess you do like this pattern as you have 5 already. To me the Tidioute in Osage Orange wood looks too 'plain': bolsters not grooved, no swages on blades, plain shield and plain looking wood. The others all have details that add interest to how they look. For example the acrylic Tidioute has color and swirls in the handles, etc.
Does anyone else also feel the Osage Orange just looks too 'plain' ?
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