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Not a beauty, but I added another to my Camillus Pony Jack family. Got this at a trade day yesterday for cheep$. A Camillus Long Line tang stamp Camillus 21 Pony Jack with black composite handles. I believe it has been repined, but can't understand someone putting in the effort in an inexpensive knife years ago. The seller said he had it about 6 or 8 years and it was that way when he got it. It has an exposed pin in the front bolster. Both blades have wear, had some surface rust on the blades & in the wells but have awesome snap with very positive half-stops. It needed some cleaning, and had several years of pocket lint packed in the blade wells. But here it is after the warm mineral oil spa treatment, & flush, with some steel wool thrown in for good measure.
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Papa Bones wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:24 pm Not.....
Yet another FINE acquisition you've made Smitty. ::tu:: ::tu::
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Great looking knives everyone! Love the pattern & size of these! ::tu:: :D Super cool knives! ::tu:: ::nod::
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New_Windsor_NY wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:42 pm
Yet another FINE acquisition you've made Smitty. ::tu:: ::tu::
Appreciate it Skip!!


TPK wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:33 pm Great looking knives everyone! Love the pattern & size of these! ::tu:: :D Super cool knives! ::tu:: ::nod::
Appreciate it Tom. What I like about them is I can stick one in my watch pocket of a pair of jeans, and another larger knife in the regular pocket below it. ::tu::
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That cleaned up nicely. That's a dandy.
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Papa Bones wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:24 pm Not a beauty, but I added another to my Camillus Pony Jack family. Got this at a trade day yesterday for cheep$. A Camillus Long Line tang stamp Camillus 21 Pony Jack with black composite handles. I believe it has been repined, but can't understand someone putting in the effort in an inexpensive knife years ago. The seller said he had it about 6 or 8 years and it was that way when he got it. It has an exposed pin in the front bolster. Both blades have wear, had some surface rust on the blades & in the wells but have awesome snap with very positive half-stops. It needed some cleaning, and had several years of pocket lint packed in the blade wells. But here it is after the warm mineral oil spa treatment, & flush, with some steel wool thrown in for good measure.
Hey there Smitty , your pony herd is a growing . Nice snag on the last one . ::tu::
Did some checking on that
Kutmaster with the different blade configuration and couldn’t find one like it . It looks like a mystery for now to me. Maybe a Kutmaster Guy ,it’s the first I’ve seen in that frame . Let us know if you find out , thanks for the pony show.
Jerry ,that’s a nice herd you got there as well . Thanks for showing those ::tu::
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jerryd6818 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:42 am That cleaned up nicely. That's a dandy.
Thanks Jerry!

Ripster wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:30 am
Hey there Smitty , your pony herd is a growing . Nice snag on the last one . ::tu::
Did some checking on that
Kutmaster with the different blade configuration and couldn’t find one like it . It looks like a mystery for now to me. Maybe a Kutmaster Guy ,it’s the first I’ve seen in that frame . Let us know if you find out , thanks for the pony show.
Jerry ,that’s a nice herd you got there as well . Thanks for showing those ::tu::
Appreciate it JP
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Hey there Smitty ,was digging around in my Case Corner and noticed these 2 . A 3220 CV Yellow handle and a 6220 SS Blue bones. Would they fit in with the requirements for the pony herd ? When I hold them along side the Camillus in the pic the frames seem very close. The bolsters are not as squared off as the Cams or Ka bar shown .
Nice thread ,Thanks for posting it.
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Ripster wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:59 pm Hey there Smitty ,was digging around in my Case Corner and noticed these 2 . A 3220 CV Yellow handle and a 6220 SS Blue bones. Would they fit in with the requirements for the pony herd ?
I'm not Smitty but Case calls them Peanuts.
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jerryd6818 wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:23 pm
Ripster wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:59 pm Hey there Smitty ,was digging around in my Case Corner and noticed these 2 . A 3220 CV Yellow handle and a 6220 SS Blue bones. Would they fit in with the requirements for the pony herd ?
I'm not Smitty but Case calls them Peanuts.
Gotcha , thanks Jerry . Hope you’re staying warm and safe. ::tu::
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Papa Bones: Here's your long lost twin. Maybe your pins aren't replaced. Look at these. They look brand new. This was my EDC for years.
Great little knife! Kinda half saber ground on the mark side only. ::tu:: J.O'.
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Ripster wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:59 pm Hey there Smitty ,was digging around in my Case Corner and noticed these 2 . A 3220 CV Yellow handle and a 6220 SS Blue bones. Would they fit in with the requirements for the pony herd ? When I hold them along side the Camillus in the pic the frames seem very close. The bolsters are not as squared off as the Cams or Ka bar shown .
Nice thread ,Thanks for posting it.
Nice looking Peanuts. The peanut was more of a serpentine design starting with an upturned back bolster flowing to the front bolster slightly turned down. The Pony Jacks were actually just a small Jack knife design which was more of a slightly upturned rear bolster flowing straight to a even front bolster. They are basically a smaller thinner design similar to the Mini Trapper. Or that is the way I interpret it.
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Ridgegrass wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:47 pm Papa Bones: Here's your long lost twin. Maybe your pins aren't replaced. Look at these. They look brand new. This was my EDC for years.
Great little knife! Kinda half saber ground on the mark side only. ::tu:: J.O'.
Nice J.O. ::tu:: ::tu::
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Papa Bones wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:39 pm
Ripster wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:59 pm Hey there Smitty ,was digging around in my Case Corner and noticed these 2 . A 3220 CV Yellow handle and a 6220 SS Blue bones. Would they fit in with the requirements for the pony herd ? When I hold them along side the Camillus in the pic the frames seem very close. The bolsters are not as squared off as the Cams or Ka bar shown .
Nice thread ,Thanks for posting it.
Nice looking Peanuts. The peanut was more of a serpentine design starting with an upturned back bolster flowing to the front bolster slightly turned down. The Pony Jacks were actually just a small Jack knife design which was more of a slightly upturned rear bolster flowing straight to a even front bolster. They are basically a smaller thinner design similar to the Mini Trapper. Or that is the way I interpret it.
Thanks Smitty, these small knifes are all interesting, and I do get the difference. Thanks for explaining how the pony jack part came about . ::tu::
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Picked up another Camillus Pony Jack to add to the family. A Long Line tang Stamp, #22 Pony Jack with the Smooth Maize handles. I believe these are delrin and not the pyroxylin handles. I did the Hot water and the thumb rub test and could not get any camphor or vinegary smell. It did have some issues with rust on the blades but they were not stiff. Actually had great snap. I believe an example of being stored without preventive maintenance. Joints may have been oiled but blades were not. Anyway, did my usual cleaning and now it looks much better and as I said it has great snap on both blades with positive half stops. Now the blades are clean, still have some pits but quite usable now. Plus, it seems the 22 is a little harder to find in good shape compared to finding #21 Pony Jacks in the staged brown or black delrin handles.

From what I've found, I believe Camillus started using Delrin on the 22 after 1966. The 1965 Catalogs still listed the 22 Pony Jack with Maize Pyroxylin handles, which as we know was a celluloid. In 1967 Camillus had changed the handle material name to "Genuine Maize Handles. By the Camillus 1970 Catalog the Handle Name had changed to just Maize, and the Later Catalogs listed it as having Smooth Maize, and by the 80's the handle material in the catalogs had changed to Maize Delrin. So a guestimation on the date of this knife is somewhere between 1968 and 1975.

But, here are some before and after photos.

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Papa Bones wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:57 pm Picked.....
Smitty, good job! ::tu::
GREAT looking pocket knife. ::tu::
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New_Windsor_NY wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:17 pm
Smitty, good job! ::tu::
GREAT looking pocket knife. ::tu::
Thanks Skip!
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Papa Bones wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:57 pm Picked up another Camillus Pony Jack to add to the family. A Long Line tang Stamp, #22 Pony Jack with the Smooth Maize handles. I believe these are delrin and not the pyroxylin handles. I did the Hot water and the thumb rub test and could not get any camphor or vinegary smell. It did have some issues with rust on the blades but they were not stiff. Actually had great snap. I believe an example of being stored without preventive maintenance. Joints may have been oiled but blades were not. Anyway, did my usual cleaning and now it looks much better and as I said it has great snap on both blades with positive half stops. Now the blades are clean, still have some pits but quite usable now. Plus, it seems the 22 is a little harder to find in good shape compared to finding #21 Pony Jacks in the staged brown or black delrin handles.

From what I've found, I believe Camillus started using Delrin on the 22 after 1966. The 1965 Catalogs still listed the 22 Pony Jack with Maize Pyroxylin handles, which as we know was a celluloid. In 1967 Camillus had changed the handle material name to "Genuine Maize Handles. By the Camillus 1970 Catalog the Handle Name had changed to just Maize, and the Later Catalogs listed it as having Smooth Maize, and by the 80's the handle material in the catalogs had changed to Maize Delrin. So a guestimation on the date of this knife is somewhere between 1968 and 1975.

Nice Pony there Smitty ::tu::
You mentioned that it seems they’re more 21 s than 22 s . Do think your right ,at least in my travels.
Interesting info, nice clean up on the little pony .
Hope your enjoying the weather and your weekend ::handshake::
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Ripster wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm
Nice Pony there Smitty ::tu::
You mentioned that it seems they’re more 21 s than 22 s . Do think your right ,at least in my travels.
Interesting info, nice clean up on the little pony .
Hope your enjoying the weather and your weekend ::handshake::
Thanks JP. I have no official numbers of production on either pattern, but just from what I've seen at shows, trade days, and online auctions, It just seems I see more of the Pattern 21's than the 22's. Both are a neat little pattern and good EDC. Some days I will carry a 72 and a 21 as my edc. :)
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Papa Bones wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:19 am
Ripster wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:24 pm
Nice Pony there Smitty ::tu::
You mentioned that it seems they’re more 21 s than 22 s . Do think your right ,at least in my travels.
Interesting info, nice clean up on the little pony .
Hope your enjoying the weather and your weekend ::handshake::
Thanks JP. I have no official numbers of production on either pattern, but just from what I've seen at shows, trade days, and online auctions, It just seems I see more of the Pattern 21's than the 22's. Both are a neat little pattern and good EDC. Some days I will carry a 72 and a 21 as my edc. :)
They are a handy little thing,good for wood slivers or cleanin* grease from fingernails,etc etc.
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Great job cleaning it up Smitty. ::tu::
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dlr110 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:32 pm Great job cleaning it up Smitty. ::tu::
Thanks David.
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Papa Bones wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:57 pm Picked up another Camillus Pony Jack to add to the family. A Long Line tang Stamp, #22 Pony Jack with the Smooth Maize handles. I believe these are delrin and not the pyroxylin handles. I did the Hot water and the thumb rub test and could not get any camphor or vinegary smell. It did have some issues with rust on the blades but they were not stiff. Actually had great snap. I believe an example of being stored without preventive maintenance. Joints may have been oiled but blades were not. Anyway, did my usual cleaning and now it looks much better and as I said it has great snap on both blades with positive half stops. Now the blades are clean, still have some pits but quite usable now. Plus, it seems the 22 is a little harder to find in good shape compared to finding #21 Pony Jacks in the staged brown or black delrin handles.

From what I've found, I believe Camillus started using Delrin on the 22 after 1966. The 1965 Catalogs still listed the 22 Pony Jack with Maize Pyroxylin handles, which as we know was a celluloid. In 1967 Camillus had changed the handle material name to "Genuine Maize Handles. By the Camillus 1970 Catalog the Handle Name had changed to just Maize, and the Later Catalogs listed it as having Smooth Maize, and by the 80's the handle material in the catalogs had changed to Maize Delrin. So a guestimation on the date of this knife is somewhere between 1968 and 1975.

But, here are some before and after photos.

BEFORE
Cam LL 22 Pony Jack Yel_a.png
Cam LL 22 Pony Jack Yel_b.png

AFTER
Cam LL 22 Pony Jack Yel_c.png
Camillus LL 22 Yel clA.png
Cam LL 22 Yel clb.png
Just noticed this board. Hate to be late to the party, but that yellow pops. Very nice. I have looked at those pony jacks, but never snagged one. You got that little gem cleaned up right smart!!! Great score!!!!!! :D ::tu:: ::handshake::
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phil0175 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:45 pm
Just noticed this board. Hate to be late to the party, but that yellow pops. Very nice. I have looked at those pony jacks, but never snagged one. You got that little gem cleaned up right smart!!! Great score!!!!!! :D ::tu:: ::handshake::
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Welcome to the Pony Jack thread Phil. They are neat little knives and made by a variety of manufacturers. A good little EDC with several different handle materials. ::tu::
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I added this one to my Camillus Pony Jack family today. It is a Camillus Sword Brand Pattern 21 Pony Jack. It is 2-13/16" closed with bone handles. Unfortunately the handles are cracked. The blades have no wobble with good snap, and positive half stops. It has the Sword Brand Crossed Swords tang stamp on the mark side of the Clip Blade and has The Four Line Camillus tang stamp on the pile side. I've not decided what I want to do with it, but may have the handles replaced and make a great old EDC Pony Jack. It needed some cleaning. Here are the pictures of it.
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