Those hard to find Old Timers

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:08 pm

Good snag Jason.....
I think I might have been the other bidder on that one. I had NO IDEA it was a bone handled 8OT.... I just put my bid in based on the tang stamp alone.
Good catch dude!

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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:36 pm

I got myself this here 51 OT...Not really that rare but not that cheap when you do find one. This one looks unused so this one is going in my collection display.
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Not NEARLY as rare as what you found Jason....
(Thanks for snatching that rug out from under my feet.. :x ...Just kidding ....LOL)
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by jxr1197 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:31 pm

kootenay joe wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:14 pm
Surely there is another one hiding there
I tell myself this daily with regards to whatever I'm hunting -
tongueriver wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:02 pm
That is how it's supposed to work!
Indeed!
Meridian_Mike wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:08 pm
I had NO IDEA it was a bone handled 8OT....
Betcha never let that happen again ::tu:: . It was the price that caught my eye. They were asking just a little too much for a clean Delrin knife. I clicked on it to see what the story was. Turns out the seller didn't know what he had and just pulled a number out of thin air when pricing it. I take no credit being a super sleuth - it was dumb luck.

Those damaged brown plastic handles I posted in this thread the other day came off of a 50OT - but I didn't include a pic of what became of the knife...it looks right at home wearing saw cut bone -
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by kootenay joe » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:54 pm

After reading about the bone 8OT find, i did go to ebay, and i found an 8OT. With yellow handles for $9.50 !
Not quite as special as the bone one :mrgreen:
It is marked "8OT", not "8OTY", "Y" for yellow.
And i think a bunch of these showed up soon after Schrade closed and were likely made in Camillus factory using left over Schrade blades.
Any opinions about my GREAT score :?
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Shearer » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:08 am

kootenay joe wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:54 pm
After reading about the bone 8OT find, i did go to ebay, and i found an 8OT. With yellow handles for $9.50 !
Not quite as special as the bone one :mrgreen:
It is marked "8OT", not "8OTY", "Y" for yellow.
And i think a bunch of these showed up soon after Schrade closed and were likely made in Camillus factory using left over Schrade blades.
Any opinions about my GREAT score :?
kj
Look this up and will see what you have.
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by LRV » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:00 am

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ ... 0-CATS.pdf

1990 both the 34OTY and 8OTY where introduced.
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by kootenay joe » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 am

Thanks. The chart is useful for correct' knives. This one is marked Schrade/USA 8OT. There is no "Y".
I vaguely recall a discussion of these in Schrade/BF about 12 ? years ago and the thought was that some of the yellow 8OT's were made with 8OT blades, not the blade marked "8OTY".
Or, it could be an end of days knife ?
And, i think some yellow Schrade 8OT's were made or assembled in Camillus factory right after Schrade closed.
Plus, after Schrade closed, yellow handled 8OT's from China showed up and they were marked "8OTY".
There is more than 1 possibility for the origin of this knife which is why i bid for it. I was hoping 'you guys' might know how to sort out the yellow handles and absent "Y" on this 'Schrade' knife.
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by jxr1197 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:19 am

kootenay joe wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 am
This one is marked Schrade/USA 8OT. There is no "Y".
Have you seen an 8OTY tang stamp? I was looking at this post and can't remember ever coming across one. I've got the same 8OTY with the regular 8OT stamp and 'SCHRADE' marked federal shield. I've seen '8OTY' boxes but never the stamp and the only 8OTYs I have seen with Old Timer shields are Chinese. A quick google search didn't show an image of the 8OTY stamp. I think your knife is correct, but now I'm curious - does anyone here have a pic of a 'Y' tang stamp?
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:33 am

kootenay joe wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:54 pm
After reading about the bone 8OT find, i did go to ebay, and i found an 8OT. With yellow handles for $9.50 !
Not quite as special as the bone one :mrgreen:
It is marked "8OT", not "8OTY", "Y" for yellow.
And i think a bunch of these showed up soon after Schrade closed and were likely made in Camillus factory using left over Schrade blades.
Any opinions about my GREAT score :?
kj
Heck yeah! That is a great score Roland!
That is a beautiful example of an 8OTY....congrats on the find!
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:37 am

jxr1197 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:19 am
kootenay joe wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 am
This one is marked Schrade/USA 8OT. There is no "Y".
Have you seen an 8OTY tang stamp? I was looking at this post and can't remember ever coming across one. I've got the same 8OTY with the regular 8OT stamp and 'SCHRADE' marked federal shield. I've seen '8OTY' boxes but never the stamp and the only 8OTYs I have seen with Old Timer shields are Chinese. A quick google search didn't show an image of the 8OTY stamp. I think your knife is correct, but now I'm curious - does anyone here have a pic of a 'Y' tang stamp?
I just thought the "Y" was just to distinguish the description from the regular 8OT on a sales sheet or the box it came in..... I haven't ever seen one that had the "Y" on the tang stamp.
If they are out there.... let's see one.
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:45 am

Earlier in this thread.....
Paul showed us some nice examples....no "Y"....

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=60314&start=30

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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by jxr1197 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:09 pm

Since it was only made in 1990 it could be possible that they were using up old parts. The 881Y was last seen in 1986. Maybe someone noticed a dust covered crate in a forgotten corner filled with yellow scales. *If* it was a run to use up old stock it could make sense if they didn't make a stamp for it. Clemente is vague on the pattern (I happen to have his book on my desk as I'm typing this.)

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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:27 pm

jxr1197 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:09 pm
Since it was only made in 1990 it could be possible that they were using up old parts. The 881Y was last seen in 1986. Maybe someone noticed a dust covered crate in a forgotten corner filled with yellow scales. *If* it was a run to use up old stock it could make sense if they didn't make a stamp for it. Clemente is vague on the pattern (I happen to have his book on my desk as I'm typing this.)
Yep, I have read this somewhere else, IIRC.... That Schrade was trying to use up some old stock yellow handle covers on the Old Timer line.
The 881Y does have the "Y" on the tang stamp.
But.... just printing a piece of paper with the 8OTY would be a lot less costly that making up a tang stamp for the 8OT. That is a good hint that the 8OTY was just an attempt to use up the over-run of yellow handles.
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NOW.... what about the 34OTY.... What is the Schrade equivalent of that pattern.
Did the same thing happen (cease of production) for a smaller Schrade yellow handle stockman knife?
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After all..... The 8OTY and 34OTY were both one-year knives.....

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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by jxr1197 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:40 pm

Meridian_Mike wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:27 pm
NOW.... what about the 34OTY.... What is the Schrade equivalent of that pattern.
Did the same thing happen (cease of production) for a smaller Schrade yellow handle stockman knife?
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After all..... The 8OTY and 34OTY were both one-year knives.....

::shrug::
The 834Y and 835Y both had pretty long runs and I think would be the same size. I don't know if I've ever seen a 34OTY - is it also missing the 'Y'?
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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers

Post by Meridian_Mike » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:48 pm

Yep.... Here is the one I just got a little while back.....
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This seems to be the typical configuration for the 34OTY.... It has the oval Schrade shield.
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