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Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

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Does this knife look legit to you? I don't know enough to tell. Not bidding anyway just wondering.
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Looks OK to me.
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It is legit, I have a few myself!

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Thanks guys !
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THAT KNIFE WAS NOT MADE BEFORE 2004!
Define what you mean by "legit". If you mean a made in America by a one hundred year old American company, then NO. It is not a "legit" Schrade. Schrade stopped selling the 881Y in 1986. The tang stamp is wrong, the scales are wrong and the blade ink stamp is wrong. I was once fooled by these phonies about 14 years ago. So I know. Ask to see the plastic tube they say comes with it. It will be wrong too. Ask to see all the paper work. It will say China on it somewhere in very small print.
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Mustanger wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:43 pm THAT KNIFE WAS NOT MADE BEFORE 2004!
Define what you mean by "legit". If you mean a made in America by a one hundred year old American company, then NO. It is not a "legit" Schrade. Schrade stopped selling the 881Y in 1986. The tang stamp is wrong, the scales are wrong and the blade ink stamp is wrong. I was once fooled by these phonies about 14 years ago. So I know. Ask to see the plastic tube they say comes with it. It will be wrong too. Ask to see all the paper work. It will say China on it somewhere in very small print.
The 100 years etch made me wonder if it was made after Schrade went under and it just looks too good. Obviously a lot of buyers are passing on the knife for a reason. And yes that is what I meant by legit. Thanks
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I believe that knife was made by Camillus during a shady shifting timeframe just before the Schrade bankruptcy or just afterward. It is in my opinion good Schrade stuff, as Camillus and Schrade were joined at the hip at that time. The fine points of the legal angle for that knife are hazy. I wouldn't worry about it; it is not of weird manufacture like down at Birmingham for instance, or Chinese. Just my opinion. I bet Eric would have something to say which would be more illuminating.
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The 100 years etch made me wonder if it was made after Schrade went under and it just looks too good. Obviously a lot of buyers are passing on the knife for a reason. And yes that is what I meant by legit. Thanks
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The seller did a little research on the 881Y and posted that it was made and sold from 1957 to 1986 (according to Dale's reference guide). Kind of a spoiler right there. Discontinued in '86 and celebrating 100 years which was in 2004. There were some limited edition knives made real close to or for 2004 that had a 'nostalgic' Schrade Walden tang stamp. The Cigar Box Classics is an example. But this ain't one of those. Tongueriver is on to something about who made the first Taylor knives after the bankruptcy. The first ones did seem to be of better quality than later Chinese knives. Before I knew how to identify the Taylors I bought 2 or three and one of them was like this knife without the 100 year stamp on the blade. Regardless of who built the knife, it IS a Taylor Brands. I didn't want you to get fooled like I did 14 years ago. Hope this is helpful.
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tongueriver wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:32 pm I believe that knife was made by Camillus during a shady shifting timeframe just before the Schrade bankruptcy or just afterward. It is in my opinion good Schrade stuff, as Camillus and Schrade were joined at the hip at that time. The fine points of the legal angle for that knife are hazy. I wouldn't worry about it; it is not of weird manufacture like down at Birmingham for instance, or Chinese. Just my opinion. I bet Eric would have something to say which would be more illuminating.
i probably should have been more clear on my meaning of legit. I was thinking it is a Chinese made knife but maybe not.
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Mustanger wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:13 pm
The 100 years etch made me wonder if it was made after Schrade went under and it just looks too good. Obviously a lot of buyers are passing on the knife for a reason. And yes that is what I meant by legit. Thanks
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The seller did a little research on the 881Y and posted that it was made and sold from 1957 to 1986 (according to Dale's reference guide). Kind of a spoiler right there. Discontinued in '86 and celebrating 100 years which was in 2004. There were some limited edition knives made real close to or for 2004 that had a 'nostalgic' Schrade Walden tang stamp. The Cigar Box Classics is an example. But this ain't one of those. Tongueriver is on to something about who made the first Taylor knives after the bankruptcy. The first ones did seem to be of better quality than later Chinese knives. Before I knew how to identify the Taylors I bought 2 or three and one of them was like this knife without the 100 year stamp on the blade. Regardless of who built the knife, it IS a Taylor Brands. I didn't want you to get fooled like I did 14 years ago. Hope this is helpful.
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I believe Calvin is correct. Not Chinese, but certainly not made before 2004.
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If someone has a few Schrade knives made in the last 20 years (or so) of the company, he probably has one or more that has parts from Camillus or Imperial, or work done on them at one of those two other factories, or even made in their entirety elsewhere than in the Ellensville buildings. To me those are all legitimate. The OP knife was only a micro step off of that formula, being parts certainly from Camillus that had been also on Schrade knives earlier. Even the tang stamp probably walked over to Camillus from Ellensville. The whole Schrade/Imperial/Camillus phenomenon was a mashup and had been for years. Anyone for an Ulster?
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"Regardless of who built the knife, it IS a Taylor Brands."
Big difference to me. But, hey..... :D
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Thanks for all the opinions, I think I'm gonna pass on this one. The history lessons were cool though.
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tongueriver wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:32 pm I believe that knife was made by Camillus during a shady shifting timeframe just before the Schrade bankruptcy or just afterward. It is in my opinion good Schrade stuff, as Camillus and Schrade were joined at the hip at that time. The fine points of the legal angle for that knife are hazy. I wouldn't worry about it; it is not of weird manufacture like down at Birmingham for instance, or Chinese. Just my opinion. I bet Eric would have something to say which would be more illuminating.
I think you are correct in saying made by Camillus - I have 3 of these knives new condition but not the 881Y (787Y, 293Y and 834Y) - Just a guess but probably made early 2000 trying to stay in business - I would say this was before Taylor Brand took over - With Schrade during that period anything possible. The build of the knife is pretty good and everything on the "tube" paper work says made in USA -- just my 2 cents ::shrug::
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Mustanger wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:00 pm "Regardless of who built the knife, it IS a Taylor Brands."
Big difference to me. But, hey..... :D
Actually after a little investigating Mustanger you are correct - Taylor Brand is on the paper work
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Actually after a little investigating Mustanger you are correct - Taylor Brand is on the paper work
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In my first post I claimed that the paperwork would say China in very small print. When Tongueriver chimed in it jogged my busted memory and I recalled that the knife I had back then said Taylor Brand (s) in small print on the paperwork and not China. I'm strongly considering Cal's claim of Camillus origin. At least for parts if not in whole. I just don't know.

Here is some support for Cal's claim, imo. These "Whittler" limited edition knives look to be the same knife as the one in question. Just a different shield and tang stamp. I have this notion that I can pick out a Camillus knife in a picture next to a Schrade/Ellenville/Walden knife. I think this "Whittler" is Camillus made, and it came out real late in Schrade's history. So...... ::shrug::
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There seems to be plenty of old original Schrade knives out there for me to lust after with out getting confused by these 2004 knives. I have to confess I did throw a couple of low bids in on it but didn't want it as bad as some other folks. Would have been interesting to look at up close I guess. Went for $36.00 + $5.00 Postage
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Plus tax. :lol:
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I am reasonably certain these have been made for Taylor by Utica, in two or three colors of bone. I believe Utica also has sold them with their own stamping. Look familiar?
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More pic's.
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Yep, Utica used this same bone (and pattern) on the Big Pine series.


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tongueriver wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:36 pm I am reasonably certain these have been made for Taylor by Utica, in two or three colors of bone. I believe Utica also has sold them with their own stamping. Look familiar?
YIKES!! $140?? Why would anyone pay that much for that thing? I payed $44 and $50 for my genuine Schrade Cigar Box Classic trappers. I'm thinking Case trappers are less than that. Think of the nice old Schrade you could buy with that money. smh ::facepalm::
ebay..........smh
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Mustanger wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:25 pm
tongueriver wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:36 pm I am reasonably certain these have been made for Taylor by Utica, in two or three colors of bone. I believe Utica also has sold them with their own stamping. Look familiar?
YIKES!! $140?? Why would anyone pay that much for that thing? I payed $44 and $50 for my genuine Schrade Cigar Box Classic trappers. I'm thinking Case trappers are less than that. Think of the nice old Schrade you could buy with that money. smh ::facepalm::
ebay..........smh
I noticed several dealers have similar Utica Trappers (Utica discontinued the Catskill and Big Pine lines years ago) for $40. And these are said to be nowhere near the finish of a Case. My Klein Uticas are awful.
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