Is Bulldog still in business?

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Re: Is Bulldog still in business?

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Case, GEC, and others have made knives with Bois d’Arc handle covers. Most if not all wood used by professional knife makers both factory and custom is “stabilized”. Not sure what is used nor how, but assume it must be some penetrant material. Someone here probably knows. “Mr.Google” probably knows. In fact you can buy stabilized Bois d’Arc for knife handles from Jantz Supply. https://knifemaking.com/products/osage- ... 524a&_ss=r

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I wonder if there is some certain ambient circumstances, or some specific materials stored nearby that increase the chances of celluiod flash or degredation.

I have about 12-14 Bulldog folders, and about 7-8 of them are celluoid. I have had them about 24 years and have had no celluoid-related problems at all. Praise the Lord. I do keep them in an air tight box with dessicants to inhibit rust. Perhaps that accounts for some of my success.

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grangerknives wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:50 pm I wonder if there is some certain ambient circumstances, or some specific materials stored nearby that increase the chances of celluiod flash or degredation.

I have about 12-14 Bulldog folders, and about 7-8 of them are celluoid. I have had them about 24 years and have had no celluoid-related problems at all. Praise the Lord. I do keep them in an air tight box with dessicants to inhibit rust. Perhaps that accounts for some of my success.

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No one knows. The why and what triggers celluloid disintegration is an unsolved mystery as far as I know. I’ve never seen any scientific studies providing an explanation, but you’ll find a lot of anecdotal information on this forum. Most of it seems to indicate leaving the knives exposed to air and not in close proximity to other celluloid, and not confined to a tight small area, and not exposed to heat or sunlight is best. It is known that if several celluloid knives are together in a confined space and one “goes off” it will quickly take the others with it. It seems the nitrous acid fumes created by decomposing celluloid are contagious.

Your guess is as good as any. ::shrug:: You can find lots of info by searching the forum for “celluloid”.

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chow wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:59 am Just read a pretty good description of it. They said it was only used in the early 1900s and isn't made anymore except for a small factory in Germany. That some knife makers in Germany use it....I can guess one of those German knife makers...lol
You would think that enough time had passed since Celluloid was introduced that Bulldog would have known what was going to become of their knives. Odd decision.
Case, Rough Rider, Bear and Sons all still make knives with celluloid handles. Makes no sense to me.
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eveled wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:12 am
Case, Rough Rider, Bear and Sons all still make knives with celluloid handles. Makes no sense to me.
I don’t pretend to keep up with all that Case has done the past 20-30 years, but I don’t recall any recent Case knives with celluloid covers. The last I recall that used celluloid were the Case Classics (made by Queen in the 1990s). Delrin and Kirinite seem to have supplanted celluloid at Case. You’ve piqued my curiosity though so I’ll do some digging. ::hmm::

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Edit: According to the Case Collector's Club site the last use of celluloid by Case was 2004 (two patterns - candy stripe was one of them) and 2006 (one pattern) in the Case Select line. A celluloid warning label was on the boxes.

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Isn't Delrin about the least interesting handle material available?
I think the only thing worse is PVC,
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I knew I had seen a recently made knife as having celluloid scales. So I just searched celluloid knife and listed the current ones that were listed. The Case one was a Louisiana Purchase commemorative knife listed as Cats Eye Celluloid. But a deeper search shows results that it’s actually Cats Eye Corelon. So who really knows the truth. I avoid anything that even looks like celluloid.

Point I was trying to make was that it’s possible for even a new knife to have celluloid handles.
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I doubt it, but Corelon may turn out to have its own set of problems just like celluloid does. Ask me again in 30-40 years - if I live that long I'll be glad to say I know! ::tu:: :lol:

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I've been seeing an eyeglasses company advertising on TV that their glasses are made out of "Cellulose Acetate" which I could've sworn was another name for celluloid. So, it's obviously being produced commercially still.
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It is indeed. And in applications besides pocket knives it seems to last at least long enough to live out its useful life. How long do we expect eyeglass frames to be used by the purchaser? Maybe 5 years? Or? When they were made I doubt anyone thought we would be discussing the attributes of 50 to 100+ year old pocket knives!

There are 100+ year old combs and numerous other celluloid items still around. I have a Seth Thomas mantle clock dating to the late 1800's that has been passed down from my great grandparents. It has decorative celluloid column pieces that are still in good condition (they may have shrunk a little - hard to tell for sure).

But who knows how many may have disintegrated and been thrown out? All we see is those items that have survived and pocket knives we see both surviving and disintegrating.

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