Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

The KA-BAR brand originated as a trademark of the Tidioute Cutlery Company. Tidioute was later taken over & renamed the Union Cutlery Company which continued making the brand until Union eventually adopted it as the company name in 1952. Cutco Corporation later acquired the company in 1996.
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by RalphAlsip » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:34 pm

peanut740 wrote:Jerry,I think the one on the right is the older.It has hammered pins,the other is spun.Just my 2 cents.
Roger, thank you for your insight. I always learn something new from you to consider when trying to read these old knives. ::handshake::

Here are detailed pictures of the the marks on both knives. The secondary blade marks on both knives are identical. The main blade mark on the knife with the hammered pins says "KA-BAR" and the mark on the other knife says "Union Cut. Co. Olean, NY". The marks combined with the raised letter shield are what informed my opinion that Union Cut. Co. marked Ka-Bar was older.

However, I was conflicted. The hammered pin Ka-Bar marked knife looks older and feels older. Your logic on the hammered pins makes a lot sense to me, especially combined with in-the-hand perception.

Does seeing these marks change your opinion?
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by peanut740 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:39 pm

Jerry,I was following the logic of reading the knife and not what it says.I have found few absolutes when it comes to old knives.Are the dates right on the marks? ::shrug:: Did they have an old cutler who didn`t like to spin pins? ::shrug:: From what I`ve read and observed by 1920 most places were spinning their pins.My guess is they`re close in age. ::handshake::
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by RalphAlsip » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:24 am

These pictures are of an old Union Cut. Co. Harness Jack. The main blade has the North America mark with "UNION" stamped inside. It also has a nice raised letter Union shield. My understanding is that I am at least the 3rd AAPK guardian of this fine knife.
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by stockman » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:51 am

Nice pictures Jerry.

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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by btrwtr » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:22 pm

Here are a few to add to the thread.

First group:

Union stockman 3 5/8" closed, stamped all three blades. Flat sided punch.
Union arched stamp on both blades, trapper frame jack.
Union stamper both blades, toenail.

Second group:

Cherry tree chopper marked KA-BAR master and Union on hatchet.
Single blade Dog's head folding hunter with North American Union stamp.
Cherry tree chopper with Union stamps.
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by espn77 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:41 pm

Jerry, Wayne. Sure is fun to look at your guys knives. ::tu::

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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by peanut740 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:38 pm

Jerry that harness jack will fit in your cigar box too.Wayne some are some dandys.The toenail and trapper frame are exceptional. ::tu:: ::tu::
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by BWT » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:09 am

Thanks for sharing those good looking ole knives, never get tired of looking at the older knives.
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by RalphAlsip » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:10 am

These pictures show a Union Cut. Co. lever lock Doghead with arched stamp and Rogers bone handles. Thanks for looking.
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Union Cut. Co. Olean N.Y. U.S.A. Arched stamp
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by OldKnifeCollector » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:37 am

That is one of the nicest looking knives I have ever seen. Beautiful knife!
stockman wrote:Slot Knife 6291 K&F Pat. Nov 5th 1907 dated on fork. Found pictures of these in Bone, Stag, and Pearl.

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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by peanut740 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:41 am

Really good leverlock Jerry! ::tu::
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by stockman » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:52 pm

Jerry that Dog Head Lock knife is really nice. I like any old Dog Head.

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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by btrwtr » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:22 pm

Count me in on the lever lock. Beautiful knife!
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by steve99f » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:01 am

The stamp with the outline of North America doesn't look anything like NA. I've checked a few books and realize that is what it is called. What I think it is is a stylized eagle. It has a head and a tail and two wings one on either side. If you look at Ralph Alsip's harness jack and a couple of others, it seems plain to me.

The stylized eagle as a logo would be consistent with a with a company called Union anything so soon after the Civil War.

Just pointing out what I observed while I sit here drinking a purgative in preparation for a "procedure" tomorrow. Check it out.
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Re: Union Cut. Co. Olean NY

Post by peanut740 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:51 am

It may look somewhat like an eagle,but I'm pretty sure It's North America.Here's the cover of David Anthony's book on Tidioute and they're knife companies. It is a Union Razor knife box cover.They had other things with the Union inside a outline of North America also.
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