What's wrong with the knives made in China?

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here is the best reason of all the posts so far (see link):

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It says it all is right. Great clip. OUCH!!
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And that, my friends, is why you don't make large, thin blades out of stainless steel :)
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No one collects Chinese knives. That should tell ya somethnig. ::dang::
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I wonder if Chinese guys collect Chinese knives??? LOL!!
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Nothing's wrong with China made knifes..




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I got these as a gift over the weekend.....Steel Warriors... :shock:
I wasn't going to post these..but I guess this is the place..If'n I was gonna!!
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JR those match the Chinese fixed blade set I inherited. ::doh::

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I am 67 years old and I can remember when anything that had Japan stamped on it was viewed as cheap and undesireable. Now Japan is well known for making quality cars,cameras,recording equipment,etc.
I have a Rough Rider folding hunter and a Crandall folding hunter made by Case. I bought the two knives just to compare quality and there isn't 5 cents of difference between them but the Crandall cost 45 dollars more than the Rough Rider.

China pays their workers next to nothing and that is wrong but part of the reason american car companies got in trouble is because they were paying high school dropouts 30 dollars to do a job and passing everything on to the consumer and that is wrong also.
I don't like China either but I dislike being ripped off even more. I am going to buy the best product for the best price no matter if it is a camera,car,or whatever. I am not going to buy American made products if it means subsidizing government regulations on U.S. companies,over paid union workers,etc.

My comments may rub some of you the wrong way but it's the way I feel.
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jljr1944 wrote: I am not going to buy American made products if it means subsidizing government regulations on U.S. companies,over paid union workers,etc.

My comments may rub some of you the wrong way but it's the way I feel.
I have to agree with that. The Chinese people love Americans. They haven't forgotten what we did for them in WW2. It is their government that stinks. Like I said before though, the more capitalist we make them (by buying from them) the better off (and safer we are). All is not perfect there, but unions are just as much socialism as the ChiComs.

I am for free markets, without subsidies or tariffs.
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I am 45 and have had a knife since I was in first grade...I have been a collector twice in my life.First time I was in my teens.Had over 100 knives..sold them to buy a motorcycle..This time started about 15 years ago..got around 250-275 knives..All IMO are quality knives...most are US or German made.
With all that being said...I think China made knives (Steel Warriors & Rough Riders) are well worth the $$ you pay for them...But will in no way ever be collectable from a monetary standpoint...I cannot understand how anyone could say that they are quality knives....I think their decent knives for the money but in now way shape or form,a quality made knife!!......I am not biassed in any way,I have owned several if not many of them....if China made a quality knife I would definitely add it to my collection...IMHO!!.


PS...the Politics doesn't mean crap to me...its all about the quality when it comes to knives..IMO. :)
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Jjljr
Use both of those knives for a few months then
tell us which one is the better made knife.
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If you are looking for amount spent vs quality, go with an old Imperial vs the same dollar spent for a new RR and compare fit, finish, edge holding, etc. The Imperial will win hands down.
Being a vintage guy, I'm not impressed with any of the "new" knives (and yes, I've even tried the Canal Streets and GEC's). Just my 2 cents worth.

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I try to buy American made products any time I can. I just prefer to support American workers where I can. I have one or two China made knives but have no plans for more. I know the American workers appreciate the support.... TD
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johnnierotten wrote:I think China made knives (Steel Warriors & Rough Riders) are well worth the $$ you pay for them...But will in no way ever be collectable from a monetary standpoint
Anything can be collected because collectability, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I have a couple of Chinese made Spyderco's for sale in my store that some folks might (at some point) find collectable.

As I have said before, I don't have any Rough Riders, but I know people that do that can have any knife they want that use them day in and day out and think they are great knives.
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What I meant by a monetary standpoint is to appreciate in value....I doubt very seriously that Rough Riders and Steel Warriors will ever be worth more than you pay for them.
I collect knives that will increase in value over time..as I'm sure alot of collectors do.
In fact ,if I sold every knife in my collection (individually)...I guarantee I would make a profit on each one. ::tu::
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::tu:: U my kind of knife guy JR ::tu::
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Thank ya Glenn. ::tu:: ...I'm just an old horse trader thats been around the block a few times!! :)
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I Like American Products...If the rough rider is a beginner ok?...we collect but to our wifes we [HOARD]....O WELL ::shrug:: ::shrug:: ...GOD BLESS ...DON'T FORGET TO VOTE ...NOV. 2....ALLEN
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I'm kinda late to this discussion but I just stumbled across this website while trying to learn a little about knife collecting. I'm new to knife collecting and don't even know anyone that is a collector so trying to learn everything I can.

I just purchased quite a few "Chinese" knives that I liked, because I thought they looked cool. I never plan on reselling any of them, or trying to start a flea market business so their value never really crossed my mind. But after reading this entire topic, I'm a little embarrassed to display them. I'm really embarrassed to say how many knives I actually bought, I have a tendency to go overboard when I find something I like and the price seems unbelievable.

I'm really interested in collecting knives, not necessarily super old expensive knives that can never be used but good quality knives made today. So I went online to Case and Buck and bought several knives there. At least now if a true knife collector walks into my office, they'll think I know something about knife collecting.

What are some other brands, especially that can be bought online, should I look at for collecting? I LOVE the big knives, like Bowie Knives.

In defense of the Chinese knives, they do actually seem to be fairly good quality. There were several of us throwing them and sticking them into stuff last week and they didn't break, I sharpened a few of them and they got really sharp and stayed sharp after they hit the ground a few times. I do agree we should buy American when possible but something needs to be done with the unions that govern the workers.

Correction, I forgot, the Case didn't allow purchases online, I bought from Cavendars. Buying from Buck online, use blade45 as coupon code and get 25% off.


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Hi MBD-TX,
Welcome to AAPK.
You found an old thread that was missed in the cleanup of moving threads on the topic of Chinese knives to their own forum.
I will move this thread also, just so it can be found by topic.

Probably the best way to learn about collecting knives is by reading. You can learn a lot here in the various forums of AAPK. There is also a lot of information in the Research Section here in AAPK. If you read the forums, ask questions and you can even find good books on the topic.
This link will take you to a good discussion of knife books:
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... =4&t=23225

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If you hate all things Chinese and don't want to own anything made there then you better prepare to live like Ted Kaczynski. The fact you are even reading this post means you buy Chinese goods. If you truly meant what you say about refusing to own Chinese goods then you will need to sell everything electronic, your cars unless you drive one from the 60's or earlier, start raising sheep so you can make your own clothes from scratch....you get my point.

I completely agree that the government of China needs change in a big way however taking the faults of the government out on the people doesn't make sense. As others have said the more capitalistic the chines become the better. They want what we have in the area of standard of living and sooner or later they will figure out to do so will take the kind of changes only the people can create.

I own far more US made knives than I do Chinese. The Chinese knives I own I bought from a US vender thus much of the money from them does stay in the US. While I do have a couple cheap Chinese knives I also own some very nice higher end ones from AG Russell. The quality surpasses that of Case, Bear, and others unless you look at the Bose offerings. I also think the American worker have shot themselves in the foot in many ways.
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My feelings regarding Chinese made knives go much deeper than the type of steel in their blades or the “fit & finish” physical attributes of the knives.

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I grew up during the 1950s, when Made In America meant something. Something good. Something great. The best airplanes in the world were Made In America. The best steel was smelted in American steel mills. Everyone wanted to come here. Everyone wanted the products we made and our dollar was a world standard currency. I see that slipping away, no, I see that rushing away, no, I see that flushed away, down the toilet, by ignorant politicians and greedy big business and I’m not ready to give up the pride we had in our country even though it seems we've lost the respect the rest of the world had for us.

In my opinion, the loss of our manufacturing base is a root cause for many of our economic problems. Manufacturing in the U.S. has dwindled down to a trickle. Where we once made everything, we now make hardly anything. In just a short time I was able to compile this small list of iconic American brands that are no longer owned by American business.

Edit: After further reflection, I suppose the economic problems could be the root cause of the erosion of our manufacturing base. I'm no economist and certainly no genius. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? All I know for sure is, the jobs have moved out of this country and that's BAD.

McIntosh Stereo – Sold to Clarion (Japan) in 1990. Since 2003, owned by D&M Holdings, also a Japanese company.

Bulova - Bulova paid $4 for the world's first television commercial, a July 1, 1941 placement on New York station WNBT before a baseball game between the Brooklyn Dodgers and Philadelphia Phillies.

On January 10, 2008 Citizen (Japan) bought the Bulova Watch Company for $250 million.

Browning Arms Company - Browning is currently a fully owned subsidiary of Fabrique Nationale de Herstal. (Belgium)

Winchester Arms - FN Herstal (Belbium)

Hoover – (yes, the vacumn cleaner people) Techtronic Industries Company Limited (Hong Kong)

Amana – (The kitchen appliance people) Aga Rangemaster Group (United Kingdom)

Milwaukee Electric Tool Corp. - Acquired by Hong Kong based Techtronic Industries in 2005.

Powermatic Woodworking Tools – Part of the WMH Walter Meier Holding AG (Switzerland)

In just 60 short years gangs, violence and drugs, even in the small towns and countryside, have corrupted the America I once knew. Illegal immigration runs rampant and way too many act like it’s okay because the illegals “have a right to be here”. Political corruption is commonplace. Our economy is in the toilet and other countries who once welcomed our currency in lieu of their own, now won’t even wipe their a-- with it. I don’t blame China for that. Those problems are a result of our own inability to run a country. We have fought the Communists and the concept of Communism for the past 65 years and every time I see “Made in China” on a knife or any other product I get a flush of hopelessness and helplessness. We could have won on the military battlefield if the citizens of this country had allowed it and now we’ve lost on the economic battlefield. It’s not a new thing. It hasn’t been that many years since we were hearing about how off kilter our balance of trade was with Japan and now, China has taken it to a whole new level. Was I born too late or sometime in the future will today be the good old days?

If that doesn’t make sense to you, I’m sorry I wasn’t able to explain it well enough. I won’t argue about it. Arguing is two fools thinking they will change the other person’s mind. That’s my opinion. I don’t have a problem with you if your opinion is different.

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