Rough Riders!

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Rough Riders!

Postby Dinadan » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:56 am

I wanted to post some comments about some Rough Rider knives. I know most of the readers of this forum probably do not carry China made knives, but I am pretty sure I am not the only one here who sometimes carries one. Five knives today.
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5 1/2" Clasp Knife
I ordered this knife after looking over an AAPK thread about clasp knives. I thought they looked interesting. For my first foray nto the clasp knife category I bought a cheap Rough Rider. Nothing about it is disappointing. Size: huge, weight: heavy, blade: sharp. Walk and talk is perfect for the size of the knife. That means that you do not want your finger in the way when it snaps closed! I have not had it long, and probably like most clasp knives of this size, it has not been used much.
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5" Fish knife
I bought this knife to use, and I have used it quite a bit. The scaling blade works well at scaling fish, unless the fish is of a species with very large and tough scales. It does fine on Speckled Trout, White Trout, Kingfish, and Croakers. Up against a large Red Drum it is weak. But I think that any folding scaling tool would be over stressed against a large Red Drum. The clip blade is good. Long enough for filleting and stout enough to hack rib bones. It takes and holds an edge pretty good. I have had it in saltwater several times and so far it has no rust. The blades have what I consider perfect snap opening and closing.
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4" Three backspring lockback whittler
This is a nice size pocket knife with nice size blades. The clip is a good size and shape. But I really like the secondary blades. The spey blade has a modified shape that I like alot better than the traditional spey blade. The sheepsfoot blade is a good size and shape. Unlike most two spring whittlers, all three blades are the same thickness. Decent snap opening and closing. All round, this is a very good knife. I have carried it a fair bit, and the only thing I have against it is that it is not a traditional whittler!
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3 1/2" Whittler
This is a very good knife for the price. I have carried and used this knife at work where it was satuated with sweat all day and saltwater fishing where it was exposed to saltwater. So far, no rust. It takes and holds and edge pretty well. The saber ground main blade is a bit thick for fine slicing (much like the Case Seahorse) but it is good for light rough work. The snap is decent, not real strong, but quite adequate. This is a split backspring whittler.
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3" Whittler
This is a tiny knife. It is a split backspring whittler, and seems well made. Maybe suitable for heading strawberries or cleaning your nails. I really have not used it much due to the small size
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby TripleF » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:11 am

Good stufff Mel!

I reviewed one a while back and beat the hell out of it and it kept on going. I was very impressed.

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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby SteelMyHeart85420 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:15 pm

They suffer from lesser-quality materials, the fit and finish is extremely good for $10-$20 knives. You get what you pay for. I don't feel bad asking a little more than I should from a R.R., like I might from one of my "better" knives...if I happen to carry a R.R., which is a bit rare. My cheap Marbles whittler (in genuine imitation tortoise shell, no less) gets a little pocket time, and that's not too dissimilar. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby carrmillus » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:40 pm

SteelMyHeart85420 wrote:They suffer from lesser-quality materials, the fit and finish is extremely good for $10-$20 knives. You get what you pay for. I don't feel bad asking a little more than I should from a R.R., like I might from one of my "better" knives...if I happen to carry a R.R., which is a bit rare. My cheap Marbles whittler (in genuine imitation tortoise shell, no less) gets a little pocket time, and that's not too dissimilar. Thanks for posting.

...I used to carry one of the bone-handled whittlers to use for jobs I wouldn't want to chance damaging my old Camillus whittler, and it held up well, but I just can't do it now!!..has to be Camillus!!!......................... ::tu:: .....................

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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby Dinadan » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:57 am

Thank you for the kind words, fellows. I know a lot of folks just do not like any China knives. My favorite EDC knives are Case and GEC, but I like having the option of a Rough Rider or such to stick in my pocket for rough conditions.
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby SteelMyHeart85420 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:54 am

I'm gonna beat up a Steel Warrior this week, then gift it to my cuz, if it survives ::groove::

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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby Outlaw358 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:21 pm

I for one like Rough Rider knives.
That lockback whittler is very nice

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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby Colonel26 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:05 pm

I think Steelmyheart is dead on here. For disclosures sake the only China knife I own is a chicom Buck my wife once gave me. And as much as I hate to admit it, it's a dang good knife. I did once own a Chinese spyderco and it was a great knife. So it seems the involvement of the parent company has a lot to do with the quality of Chinese knives.

But to the RR point.....It seems that some are decent knives, especially for the money, and many suffer from very poor materials. Case in point....

My oldest boy (10) is infatuated with my Case loomfixers. So one day at a gun show my daddy bought him a RR loomfixer. It's a good looking knife, and solidly built. But when I tried to sharpen it, it was a no go. The stainless used was way too soft and the edge rolled badly. Shame too, because it is a good looking knife.

I will though give them props in this regard, they do make these wonderful old patterns that American makers just aren't producing anymore, like the loomfixer.
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby Dinadan » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:51 pm

Outlaw358 wrote:I for one like Rough Rider knives.
That lockback whittler is very nice
It is a good knife and probably deserves a bit more pocket time than I give it.

Colonel26 wrote:I will though give them props in this regard, they do make these wonderful old patterns that American makers just aren't producing anymore, like the loomfixer.

Good point, Colonel. I hope they do a few more old patterns. Like Steelmyheart implied, a Rough Rider is a good cheap knife for rough work that may damage the knife. I take them when I am fishing on salt water because I hate to take a $60 Case where it will be in salt water. So far my Rough Riders have not rusted, so maybe I do need to give a Case Fish Knife a good test and see if it is better.
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby 0078 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:08 am

It seems to me most products sold in the USA have some kind of outside influence where they are manufactured at. I own a few China knives but never carried one. I have to many USA made knive to choose from to carry a China made knife. (No knocks on China made knives.) I really think that I'm proud to leave in the USA and I choose not to carry a China knife.
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby PigSticker » Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:12 pm

I've bought and carried RR's I ain't ever had a problem with any of them--far as people who use them for so called rough work that that they're afearded to use their USA knives on that says a lot about those cheap China knives--you can't compare all China made knives in the same pile either that would be like judging a USA made knife by Colonial brand-----------
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby Dinadan » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:07 pm

Saturday I used my RR fish knife for a bit of cutting and to scale a good mess of flounder and saltwater trout. A couple of days later I went to take it out of my tackle box for a cleaning and noticed (ouch) that the clip blade was not fully closed. Upon examination the backspring was broke. It must have happened while just laying in the tackle box, because I could never have missed that exposed tip while scaling. Darned annoying because I really liked that knife and I do not think anyone else makes one that size. I guess I will just get another. First time I have ever had a backspring break. It probably would not have happened if I had bought Case, but on the other hand I am only one third as annoyed as I would be if a Case broke!
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby junebug » Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:05 am

:shock: ::doh::
CRAZY!
SORRY MAN, KNOW YA LIKED THE KNIFE ::tu::


MY WHITTLIN' CONGRESS IS STILL GOIN STRONG NO ISSUES....NO BLADE PLAY/WOBBLE ::nod::
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby edge213 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:10 am

RRs are OK. But you can't compare them to Case, GEC, Queen etc as far as quality. And I do own some RRs.
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Re: Rough Riders!

Postby r redden » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:21 am

I know some of you will disagree but I think RR's are a great way to experience different patterns without spending a lot of money. Everyone when first starting out collecting traditional pocket knives are bombarded by the abundance of different patterns available and really don't have a clue as to what they like. From the way it looks to the number of blades, blade shape, length, how it fits in your hand and on and on. When I finally decided what I truly wanted to collect was traditional pocket knives I thought I needed to buy everything that the folks on Blade Forums were raving about (my only source of info at the time). I started buying knives because of popularity of certain custom makers and production brands having no idea what I was doing and in a short while I had spent about $4000 and though I really liked some of them I also found I had a lot of knives that really didn't appeal to me. I started selling them off and only recouped about 70% of my money. I then read a thread where the OP stated that the RR's were good knife and it was an inexpensive way to try different patterns for little money then when you decided what you did and did not like you could purchase better quality knives with confidence. I took this advice and was on my way to building a collection that I truly enjoyed. I think this is great advice for newbie's and anyone looking to try a new pattern they've never tried and get some good little knives for gifting or use. Here's a reality check the first photo is about $85 worth of RR's the second about $85 worth of GEC.
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