The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

In 1911, H. N. Platts, was able to draw on his extensive friendships and family connections in the cutlery world to start Western States Cutlery and Manufacturing of Boulder Colorado. At first only a jobbing business, by 1920 construction and machinery purchases were underway to begin manufacture of knives. Through name changes--to Western States Cutlery Co. in 1953, then Western Cutlery Co. in 1956--and moves first across town and later to Longmont Colorado, the company stayed under the leadership of the Platt family until 1984. In that year, the company was sold to Coleman, becoming Coleman-Western. Eventually purchased by Camillus in 1991, Western continued until Camillus expired in 2007.
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:48 am

Version #15 – Camillus Western W49 Variation – Thick guard version.

Date of production is unknown.

It appears to be a hybrid of the standard W49 with a guard reminiscent of but not really like that found on Legitimus Collins #18 Machete/CASE/Kinfolks copies referenced in post # 2.

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:48 am

Version 16 – Camillus Produced Remington Bowie.

2002 to 2003 based on a couple of ads seen on the internet.

The Remington version was made to the same specifications as the Camillus SS Western W49, the following cosmetic differences -
Jimping along the spine and ricasso stamp.


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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:48 am

Mini-W49s

There were three “miniature” versions of the W49 produced in 1990 (year code “N”) and also with the “no year code” Camillus style stamp.

These were the W47, the W45 and the W43.

These knives had 7 inch, 5 inch and 3 inch blades, respectively.

The guard for the W47 is nearly identical to that of the W49, just slightly smaller.

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The W45 and W43 have unique guards not found on any other Western knife.

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Most of these knives were most often produced with the standard W49 laminated rosewood handles. They were also made with Delrin Stag handles, but those are as rare as hen’s teeth and have never ended up being available in my price range. :(

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:04 am

This post is reserved to hold future oddballs/commemorative/special editions as they pop up in the future. ::ds::

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby kootenay joe » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:03 pm

WOW !
zzyzzgoten you have made a significant contribution to the knife world with your definitive W49 history post. There is no where on line that all this information is given until now. Your contribution also serves to make AAPK even more significant in the knife world than it already is.
Thank you.
Although i read the entire post i cannot find 'my' W49. Likely it is there and i missed it ?
Marked on tang, mark side: Western/Boulder, Colo, USA & on pile side "BOWIE" upside down, i.e. read with tip of blade pointing towards yourself.
sheath is not the dangler. These markings are the same as what you are calling "Western Bowie #4" except #4 has markings on the guard and mine is marked on the tang.
You describe an early version that is marked similarly on the tang, but no "USA".
Do i have another variation ?
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:40 pm

Joe, that's what is called a typo. :mrgreen:

Your knife is a version 2, 1964 to 1965.

This is an example of why I have taken so long to publish this thing. I keep going over it only to find more mistakes on my part.

The USA was in there at some point and I must have managed to delete it. :oops:

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby kootenay joe » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:49 pm

Thank you for clarifying this.
My collecting began as wanting "one of everything" and so i only have this one Western Bowie. It was just luck that i ended up with an early one. If it stops snowing i will picture it & post. (i like verbing nouns)
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby WesternBowieAxe » Wed May 02, 2018 3:11 am

Hey zzyzzogeton thanks for all the info it’s so hard to find good info on early Bowie’s but I think I have a correction for you, on Western Bowie #5 Version 1 stainless steel Bowie - It should be blade marked not guard marked WESTERN BOWIE on top of STAINLESS STEEL on top of U.S.A. markings on only one side. I own one like this and I believe it’s version 1, there is a second stainless steel version that came out shortly after guard marked STAINLESS STEEL over BOWIE just like you said but I believe that to be version 2, let me know your thoughts.

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby Colonel26 » Wed May 02, 2018 10:54 am

Thanks for all the information! You’ve done your homework for sure. Here’s mine with box and paper works as well as the original sales receipt from December of 68.

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby kootenay joe » Wed May 02, 2018 4:05 pm

Wow Colonel, that is very special. I have never seen an original box & papers for a W49 Bowie. And the sales receipt is proof of age. Great 'package'.
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Wed May 02, 2018 7:17 pm

And the Colonel's pic shows that originally, the knives came with a leather thigh strap.

These were almost immediately "lost" or removed by any one who tried to wear the sheath and knife. When tied down, the thigh strap impedes the free swing of the sheath that the dangler allowed.

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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby Hillbilly70 » Wed May 02, 2018 8:28 pm

I am happy to see this thread ! I’ve had this knife since I
Was a kid ,all I know about it was it was my fathers
And he passed away in in 1976 and I’ve had possession of it
Since!
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby Colonel26 » Thu May 03, 2018 3:32 am

kootenay joe wrote:Wow Colonel, that is very special. I have never seen an original box & papers for a W49 Bowie. And the sales receipt is proof of age. Great 'package'.
kj


zzyzzogeton wrote:And the Colonel's pic shows that originally, the knives came with a leather thigh strap.

These were almost immediately "lost" or removed by any one who tried to wear the sheath and knife. When tied down, the thigh strap impedes the free swing of the sheath that the dangler allowed.


Thanks guys. The back story to this one is that a couple of years ago my Dad bought it at an Estate auction for $35! He bought it for me as a Christmas gift since he knew I collected Western knives. He had no idea what it was worth, but figured it was worth the $35, lol.

It is a treasure to me, and it will stay a safe queen as long as I own it.
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby kootenay joe » Thu May 03, 2018 2:20 pm

Wow, $35 !
I think it would still be a good deal at $350. I doubt there are more than 10-20 of these complete with paper work & box (and sales receipt with this one as well).
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Re: The Western Bowie / W49 Identification Thread

Postby zzyzzogeton » Thu May 03, 2018 3:48 pm

You'd be surprised, Joe.

They are starting to pop out of the woodwork as baby boomers start dying off and their heirs are disposing of keepsakes like this. Not a lot, but 1 or 2 every 4 to 5 months. Most are missing the receipt itself but some of the boxes have the price tags still on them.

Many a "early" baby boomer got these during the 60s and 70s, either as gifts or self-purchase but never got around to using them, just as "nostalgia keepsakes".

The knives don't have a hold on the heirs emotions so "out the door they go".


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