Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Colonial Knife was incorporated in 1926 by three brothers; Antonio, Domenic, & Fredrick Paolantonio. It grew to become one of the largest pocket knife manufacturers in the US during the 1960s. The company shut down in 1998, but was back into production under the Colonial Cutlery International Corporation in 2001. Colonial Cutlery International, Inc. brand is the imported line of knives and tools while the U.S.A.- made products fall under the Colonial Knife brand.
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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby jerryd6818 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:34 pm

pecktecksiong -- Welcome to AAPK. Glad to have you aboard.
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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby Bonfire bob » Wed May 15, 2013 1:32 pm

Greetings "pecktecksiong" and welcome aboard! This site is the only knife site you'll ever need for all pocket knife information. That includes myself, Bob Paolantonio, third generation owner/cutler, Colonial Knife Company, and all around info man. ::nod::
The Ranger line was so succsesful, we made them for years in many different styles and private labels. The 1075 steel was widely used on many knives, especially the Ranger and the Andvil Brands. The sharpness is realy a reflection of the .060 thickness used on these knives and this allows the grinding process to create a sharper blade! If you look at most of your sharp kitchen knives, they are relatively thin also. The combination of the 1075 grade of steel and around the 60 thousand thickness was a match made in heaven! ::ds::
Years ago we decided to use three springs for additional strength of the knife in general, and for omitting an additional operation that was used on the Old Cutler that had three blades and only two springs. Here's where the bench cutler like myself comes in. To insure the blades fall into the pocket of the knife, the tang of the sheep foot and spey blades had to be hit with a "step", (a three level small steel block) and a hammer, and this gave the bend you'll see in lots of your pocket knives. You had to be very carefull to hit the tang with the hammer just right, or you could break the blade, hit and break the handle material and damage the whole knife. This took me years to master and one of the important talents of a cutler. You can tell with poorly made knives when you see scratched blades that have not been dropped correctly. After 35+ years at my work bench, I could do this blind folded! ::woot::
I think I answered most of your questions my friend and if not, please feel free to elaborate on anything and I will do my best to help.
Once again, welcome aboard..... ::handshake::
Bobby Paolantonio, CKCo., R.A.P. Cutler and Heritage Cutler's....

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby pecktecksiong » Thu May 16, 2013 3:52 am

Thank you so much for your help, Bob. I felt privileged and honoured. Wow..... from the owner and cutler himself!
I will be on the look out for Anvil Branded knives. I read somewhere that the R.I school of design students had a part in the design. How many makers does that? Collectible, definitely!
Oh yes, silly me...the thinner grind helps. A great cutting blade overall! Learnt many new things today!

Don't you love the old graphics from the 70s?
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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby pecktecksiong » Thu May 16, 2013 3:58 am

Hi Jerry D. I wonder how a #72 pattern looks like. Any clue?

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu May 16, 2013 1:45 pm

pecktecksiong wrote:Hi Jerry D. I wonder how a #72 pattern looks like. Any clue?

:lol: :lol: Maybe. Thanks for your interest.

Specifications for the #72 are three blades, swell center, 3-5/8" closed length. Main blade is a clip cozied up next to a coping blade with a small clip on the opposite end. The #72 is a Camillus pattern with the #1047 being the Boy Scout version. Camillus also made a version with milled liners, gimping on the back of the center liner and all nickel silver metal parts except for the blades of course. They called it the #80 Deluxe Carpenter's & Whittler's knife. The #72s and #1047s are common and easy to come by. The #80s are few and far between.

Then there are what I call the clones (I'm pretty sure Camillus was the first to make the pattern in 1946). Schrade called it an #863, Ulster called it a #63, Sears had them made by Ulster as a #9494 and Imperial made a Scout version. Montgomery Wards contracted Camillus for their #84-11. The owner of the Remington tang stamp had one made by Camillus which is the #R-14. Many different tang stamps but only a few manufacturers and all with the specifications listed above. Since this is the Colonial Forum, I'll just say if Colonial ever made one I've never seen it. Here are a couple for your viewing pleasure.
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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby pecktecksiong » Mon May 20, 2013 2:08 am

Jerry D and Bobby, your sharing makes me realise how little I know. Thank you very much for the almost encyclopaedic info.
This is indeed the only place you need to be, where pocket knives are concerned.

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby Bonfire bob » Mon May 20, 2013 6:11 pm

Hello gents and gals..AAPK kicked me off last week and I had to come in through a back door to get here! Gotta check that problem out eventually.... ::dang::
First off, Mr. Peckt. for short, shows us some old 70's combo card of a knife basically constructed like the Ranger. Unlike the Ranger with seperate bolster's, the 46 series is a shell knife. The # 4601, 4602, and the 4603 respectively...then a single card with our old # 4633, but on a three knife card was called the TP-333 set... ::nod::
I wanted to elaborate a bit on bending the blades as I previously explained...
When the blades are half open and you strike the tang to bend the blade, it's actually hit more on the kick part of the tang. The kick? Well, this is part of the tang that sticks out a bit on the inside that "kicks" inside the knife when you close it. It falls against the inside of the spring which is called "the blade's walk". This is the portion of the spring that the blade rides on when opening and closing. A few thousand of these and many tips from the old timer's will make you a pro, if it's in your blood.. ::super_happy::

Mr. Jerryd6818, your knife knowledge is extensive and you seem like the kind of gent that would have fit in right next to me on my work bench! You sure know your Camillus line....
Like Camillus, Imperial and many other manufacturers, private labeling was a big part of our business, just like today with many consumer products...
Just to state for a fact, Colonial NEVER made a # 72 type jack knife but I wish we did...
Good input guys; any feed back is always welcome! One more thing, thank you for your service sir! I was raised by a dad, stationed in Guam in WWII, and flew many bombing missions over Japan in a B-29 Bomber, and lived to come home. Bless you pop. Good day..
Bobby P. CKCo., "Cutler for Ever"...... ::tu:: ::tu::

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby pecktecksiong » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:28 am

Dear Bob
I am sorry I'm late to the scene.
But I'm sure you're reading this, wherever you are. You will be missed by all of the knife community here.
Rest in Peace.

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby woodywoody » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:44 am

How rare of knife is it in the pic

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby deltaboy » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:52 pm

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby deltaboy » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:09 am

They take a good edge. ::tu::
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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby deltaboy » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:41 am

pecktecksiong wrote:I bought my first Ranger stockman for variety. It is listed at $5 on ebay and I'm the only bidder. Probably because of rust and uninteresting black scales. I was planning to use it as an EDC since I'm a big fan of carbon steel pocket knives.
Ever since I finished sharpening it, my impression is that I will be hard pressed to find another steel blade heat treated this right!
I own perhaps 60 slip joints (from 30 brands / makers). It made my Hen & Rooster (Bethram Cutlery) stockman a disappointment. It made my Schrade 8OT mediocre. It was just so easy to sharpen, to the point that just on my coarse stone, it was threatening to slice paper. It was easy to finish on a cheap washita. The burrs formed was not stubborn like some 1095. I was scratch my head: Did colonial did something special? I then goggled "Ranger Pocket Knives" and here I am. So...IT WAS 1075? Great steel, great steal! I did not notice any appreciable loss of edge retention (compared to my other 1095s) after slicing up a few sheets of 80gsm paper. The knife had THREE springs too! (Well Buck's 301 Stockman had 3 springs too, but it doesn't have middle liners) It also sports a nice concealed pivot pin type bolsters. The scales are nicely saw-cut delrin? Nicely pinned to the liners too (perfect dome-shaped rivets) and nice long nail pulls. At the average price of $5-$15 on ebay, this is a knife every carbon steel slip JOINT FAN SHOULD OWN!
I was in fact so impressed that I bought a new in the pack vintage Ranger dated 1977 and sub-named "KODIAK", just for keeps.

I have a question for Bob though: Are Anvil branded, Frontier (powder horn)knives using these 1075 steel as well?
Many thanks!

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby truck » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:55 pm

I found this in a pawn shop this very afternoon. It is branded as "Pine Knot" and a web search for that name led me to this thread. If it was made by Colonial as I suspect I'm curious if it's the same knife as a Ranger.
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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby B.Mauser » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:22 am

Hi Truck.

Very nice find! It was definitely made by Colonial. They were sold at and ordered by Smokey Mountain Knife Works in the 1980's.


Its a copy of the Ranger Model # 933.


If it has carbon steel blades it would be Colonials 1075 steel they used on the whole Ranger line.

Do you think the blades are carbon steel? I dont see any patina or stains on yours.



Colonial also had some very shiny 420 stainless steel they used on some knives. Colonial had a reputation for being very willing to accommodate special requests If a company was willing to pay the extra charge. So there is also a possibility its 420 if you dont think its Carbon Steel.


Either way a very neat knife that should be just as good as the Ranger knives. And they are great knives. ::tu::



Here is a Ranger #933 in Colonials last Catalog.

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Re: Ranger 3 blade by Colonial?

Postby truck » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:04 pm

Thanks for the info Brian. My assumption is that the blades are stainless.
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