Camillus knife batch... Part Deux

[CheckSix]

Here's three Stockman knives... the one on the left with the elliptical shield is a #69 and measures 3-7/8". The redbone in the middle is also a #69 and the one on the right is a factory polished #18 Stockman. First photo.

Below those, is a single blade equal end Jack, Long Line tang stamp, no pattern number stamped. Next 2 photos.

Last, is a camp utility knife - 4 blade/tool. Last 2 photos.

[Quick Steel]

Every one of these is desireable and interesting to me. Particularly drawn to the camp/utility knife as in recent weeks I have been picking up of a few of this pattern. Very fine collection.

[Colonel26]

The bone handled 69's are one of my favorites.

The one in the middle of the first picture, is it stamped 69 or is it a 67? I've never seen a 69 wit the standard clip blade. I was under the impression that they all had the California or Turkish clip.

[CheckSix]

The bone handled 69's are one of my favorites.

The one in the middle of the first picture, is it stamped 69 or is it a 67? I've never seen a 69 wit the standard clip blade. I was under the impression that they all had the California or Turkish clip.

Colonel, it has no pattern number stamped. The tang stamp is 3 lines, Camillus, over New York, over USA, with a Long Line under Camillus. Maybe I'm wrong and it isn't a #69. It is exactly the same frame as the #69 on it's left and it is stamped 69. So, does the sabre grind make it a #67, albeit unstamped?

[jerryd6818]

The bone handled 69's are one of my favorites.

The one in the middle of the first picture, is it stamped 69 or is it a 67? I've never seen a 69 wit the standard clip blade. I was under the impression that they all had the California or Turkish clip.

Correcto Mundo. And since the #69 is the Deluxe, it has N/S liners, N/S pins and the liners are milled (center liner only partially milled on the back and later knives not at all on the back.)

[CheckSix]

I took some more photos, but light was fading fast and the focusing was difficult.

The #69 is indeed the Deluxe model with file work on the liners. It also has two blade etches, the master says it's a Camillus Deluxe Stock Knife and the spey? says For Flesh Only.

The redbone #67?, has no pattern stamp. Tang stamp is 3 lines, with a long line under Camillus.

The #18 is highly polished.

[jerryd6818]

Dave, does this mean you're collecting Camillus now or was this just a acquisition of convenience. And do you have a #14? It's just a smaller #18.

[Colonel26]

Dave I have no idea what Camillus called it during that era. But it isn't a 69. Cuz has it nailed. I'm not sure what pattern that one is, but I like it.

Welcome to the world of Camillus. When speaking about Camillus we never use the words "always" or "for certain". It's "most of the time" and "maybe".

It could be worse though. With Western it's, "who knows?" Lol.

[CheckSix]

Dave, does this mean you're collecting Camillus now or was this just a acquisition of convenience. And do you have a #14? It's just a smaller #18.

Jerry,
I've been working on this acquisition for about 4 months now... it finally came home to roost. 12 Camillus knives out of a batch of 28 total. Maybe you missed this photo I posted yesterday in the General topic long running thread, on what came in the Mail.... here it is again. There is another Camillus I haven't photographed yet, it's a 165 in the box with a sharpener. I'll shoot it tomorrow when light returns.

[CheckSix]

Dave I have no idea what Camillus called it during that era. But it isn't a 69. Cuz has it nailed. I'm not sure what pattern that one is, but I like it.

Welcome to the world of Camillus. When speaking about Camillus we never use the words "always" or "for certain". It's "most of the time" and "maybe".

It could be worse though. With Western it's, "who knows?" Lol.

haha...!!!

Did you see that I posted 3 threads in here on this batch? The 1st thread has the 4 lines and a short line. I think those are the elder knives. But like I said in that post... please help! Seriously! Help me get up the learning curve on Camillus.

[gsmith7158]

Dave, Camillus tang stamps are a little uncertain and seem to have some over lap. Here's a link that might be helpful.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... -and-dates

[CheckSix]

Dave, Camillus tang stamps are a little uncertain and seem to have some over lap. Here's a link that might be helpful.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... -and-dates

oh! Greg! that was really helpful! Many thanks!

[Vit_213]

Below those, is a single blade equal end Jack, Long Line tang stamp, no pattern number stamped. Next 2 photos.

I think that this is not a factory-made knife.

[CheckSix]

Below those, is a single blade equal end Jack, Long Line tang stamp, no pattern number stamped. Next 2 photos.

I think that this is not a factory-made knife.

Please explain why you think this ...and also what you think it is. Thanks!

[Vit_213]

Tell me please opened and closed sizes.

[CheckSix]

Tell me please opened and closed sizes.

Vit, the closed length is 3-3/4" and the blade length is 2-7/8".

[Vit_213]

CheckSix, I've never seen this pattern with a single blade. But to make sure that my suspicions are correct, I sent your photos to Phil Gibbs, and here is his answer:
It is 5779 pattern.
Basically the Boy Scout knife.
Never made single blade only that I am aware of.
It is either made from parts after auction, or done by bored employee!
Phil

[CheckSix]

CheckSix, I've never seen this pattern with a single blade. But to make sure that my suspicions are correct, I sent your photos to Phil Gibbs, and here is his answer:
It is 5779 pattern.
Basically the Boy Scout knife.
Never made single blade only that I am aware of.
It is either made from parts after auction, or done by bored employee!
Phil

Thanks Vit! So, as I interpret what Phil is saying, he is leaving himself an out, that he was unaware of a single blade version. But he suspects it was made after 2007 or was made by a "bored" employee back in the day? Which means it was made after the factory closed by someone that knew what they were doing (it's nicely made) or it was made in the factory but not as a standard item, which also seems possible.

When Phil says "the Boy Scout knife", I assume he is referring to the CAMC4E? or is it a different model?

One thing I've heard about Camillus collecting is.... Never say never!

[Vit_213]

It's really nicely made, and it can be built by Wallace Rockwell.
Phil was referring to a standard Scout knife #1996 and its modifications.
Prior to 1984, for the production these knives Camillus used the #14 pattern. Then, in a few years, the #14 pattern was changed to the newer #5779 pattern.
I have several knives of these patterns. Just look at pictures and you will understand what meant Phil.
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/vit213/tag ... 014%2B5779 (all Camillus made)

[deltaboy]

Nice Collection!

[bleasure]

Sorry to necro this thread, but...

That camp knife pictured agove is the exact model I have, and I can't find out where it belongs in the history, what model number it is etc. You'll note the configuration is different from other camp/outdoorsman/scout knives, ala nos. 97, 98, 99SS, 1996, etc., as well as the similar 'engineer' style and stainless military models 1760 & 1763P.

Just like the knife pictured, mine is essentially an "engineer" style knife with the same 3-line no underline stamp (CAMILLUS/NEW YORK/USA) and no shield with "USA". It has the same older engineer-style can opener vs the more familiar BSA-style, and same arrangement of tools.

Can anyone provide background on this one? Serial number, name, date-range etc? Thank you!

[doglegg]

Sorry to necro this thread, but...

That camp knife pictured agove is the exact model I have, and I can't find out where it belongs in the history, what model number it is etc. You'll note the configuration is different from other camp/outdoorsman/scout knives, ala nos. 97, 98, 99SS, 1996, etc., as well as the similar 'engineer' style and stainless military models 1760 & 1763P.

Just like the knife pictured, mine is essentially an "engineer" style knife with the same 3-line no underline stamp (CAMILLUS/NEW YORK/USA) and no shield with "USA". It has the same older engineer-style can opener vs the more familiar BSA-style, and same arrangement of tools.

Can anyone provide background on this one? Serial number, name, date-range etc? Thank you!

I know the no line tang stamp was used for several years after the war on the camp style knives. I wonder if they were using up old stock of ww2 blades and just continued to use that tang stamp on them. But I'm just a guesser.

[ScoutKnives]

I would have to agree with doglegg , knife is just post WWII .
Given the style of blades and type of bone used , made with left over parts . I would guess late 1945-48 time line .

Mike

[Ridgegrass]

What model would this 3 blade, "no line" be? Thanks J.O'.