Help ID the Winterbottom knife

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Help ID the Winterbottom knife

Post by treefarmer » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:18 pm

Got 4 Queens in the mail today and I'm pretty sure the pattern numbers on 3 of them but the small real Winterbottom knife doesn't seem to fit any of the patterns on the lists we have.
The knife in question is 3.25" closed, bolsters on both ends appear to be the same size and it has 2 pen blades. Anybody have an idea what pattern it is? The one with the Rogers Bone is 3.3125" closed length and is defiantly a pattern # 21.
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What is the Winterbottom handled pattern?  It is equal ended, 3.25 closed.
What is the Winterbottom handled pattern? It is equal ended, 3.25 closed.
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Both knives had what appeared to be tar paper residue on the blades. That just ain't right!

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Re: Help ID the Winterbottom knife

Post by bdev » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:25 am

The one with Rogers bone is a #3. The equal end is a #21. Even though one is tapered and one is equal end, Queen called them both sleeveboards. The equal end should have been called a Senator like other manufacturer's called them (ie: Case's 79 pattern). Queen made a Senator at 2.5" (pattern #5) which is an equal end . Same knife as your 21 but smaller.

This is the way I see it. Others may differ.

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Re: Help ID the Winterbottom knife

Post by treefarmer » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:17 am

Bruno, thanks for the response, miss reading your posts.
The pattern list that you shared with me some time back shows the #21 to be 3.3125" and is described as a Sleeveboard, the #3 is named a Sleeveboard Pen and only 3.25" closed. I'm totally confused, as usual. I'm still hanging on to the name Sleeveboard Pen because both blades are pens and the dimension of 3.25 matches the list. The difference in length, 0.0625" is a lot closer than most carpenters work, maybe not cabinet makers, but reading a tape or ruler is not quite like the answer from a micrometer. That being said I feel like there are knives that are misread, not intentionally but just because it is difficult. This morning I thought both knives were 3 1/4" long but they are not after accurately measuring.
As you said others may differ. ::shrug:: At least I was able to ID the Trapper and the 4" Stockman. :)
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Re: Help ID the Winterbottom knife

Post by WillyCamaro » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:55 am

Hey Bruno!
Very nice to meet you.
Here's a question for ya.
I have the same equal end as this one. But is etched #3.
???
Mine is a 76' tang stamp. Could be a transition?
Thanks!
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Re: Help ID the Winterbottom knife

Post by bdev » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:30 pm

WillyCamaro wrote:Hey Bruno!
Very nice to meet you.
Here's a question for ya.
I have the same equal end as this one. But is etched #3.
???
Mine is a 76' tang stamp. Could be a transition?
Thanks!
And great knives again tree!
Hi WillyC, I think you are right about being a transitional. Queen probably used the #3 for that pattern even though it was used previously for an "un-equal" pattern. Sort of confuses everything.

If you have Sargent's 6th edition book, check pages 347 and 364. You will see both the #3 and #21 pattern shown.


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