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Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:45 am
by Meridian_Mike
Earlier in this thread.....
Paul showed us some nice examples....no "Y"....
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=60314&start=30
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:09 pm
by jxr1197
Since it was only made in 1990 it could be possible that they were using up old parts. The 881Y was last seen in 1986. Maybe someone noticed a dust covered crate in a forgotten corner filled with yellow scales. *If* it was a run to use up old stock it could make sense if they didn't make a stamp for it. Clemente is vague on the pattern (I happen to have his book on my desk as I'm typing this.)
881Y & 8OTY
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:27 pm
by Meridian_Mike
jxr1197 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:09 pm
Since it was only made in 1990 it could be possible that they were using up old parts. The 881Y was last seen in 1986. Maybe someone noticed a dust covered crate in a forgotten corner filled with yellow scales. *If* it was a run to use up old stock it could make sense if they didn't make a stamp for it. Clemente is vague on the pattern (I happen to have his book on my desk as I'm typing this.)
Yep, I have read this somewhere else, IIRC.... That Schrade was trying to use up some old stock yellow handle covers on the Old Timer line.
The 881Y does have the "Y" on the tang stamp.
But.... just printing a piece of paper with the 8OTY would be a lot less costly that making up a tang stamp for the 8OT. That is a
good hint that the 8OTY was just an attempt to use up the over-run of yellow handles.
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NOW.... what about the 34OTY.... What is the Schrade equivalent of that pattern.
Did the same thing happen (cease of production) for a smaller Schrade yellow handle stockman knife?
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After all..... The 8OTY and 34OTY were both one-year knives.....
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:40 pm
by jxr1197
Meridian_Mike wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:27 pmNOW.... what about the 34OTY.... What is the Schrade equivalent of that pattern.
Did the same thing happen (cease of production) for a smaller Schrade yellow handle stockman knife?
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After all..... The 8OTY and 34OTY were both one-year knives.....
The 834Y and 835Y both had pretty long runs and I think would be the same size. I don't know if I've ever seen a 34OTY - is it also missing the 'Y'?
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:48 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Yep.... Here is the one I just got a little while back.....
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This seems to be the typical configuration for the 34OTY.... It has the oval Schrade shield.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:44 pm
by kootenay joe
Thanks for these posts about the Schrade USA "Y" knives. I now realize my confusion about how these yellow Delrin knives are marked is not my 'old timer's disease' but is because no one is certain if any of these USA 8OT's were marked "8OTY".
kj
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:57 pm
by Meridian_Mike
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:44 pm
Thanks for these posts about the Schrade USA "Y" knives. I now realize my confusion about how these yellow Delrin knives are marked is not my 'old timer's disease' but is because no one is certain if any of these USA 8OT's were marked "8OTY".
kj
Well.... I have a case of "Old Timer" disease... as in, I can't get enough Old Timer knives..... (USA Old Timers that is)
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:02 pm
by jxr1197
This one is definitely hard to find.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pm
by cody6268
jxr1197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:02 pm
This one is definitely hard to find.
imperialoldtimer.jpg
Huh?!! What's the deal?
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:20 pm
by Meridian_Mike
jxr1197 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:02 pm
This one is definitely hard to find.
imperialoldtimer.jpg
LOL.....
Now I see who out SNIPED me.....
LOL.....
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:48 pm
by Meridian_Mike
cody6268 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Huh?!! What's the deal?
That one was obviously assembled at the Imperial factory.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm
by jxr1197
Meridian_Mike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:20 pm
LOL.....
Now I see who out SNIPED me.....
LOL.....
HA! I shoulda known, lol.
cody6268 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pmHuh?!! What's the deal?
Weird, right? I've only seen one other one. Imperial had a short, and pretty much forgotten cameo in the Prince Albert offer. The knife is one thing but it's even trippier seeing the tin.
Meridian_Mike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:48 pm
cody6268 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Huh?!! What's the deal?
That one was obviously assembled at the Imperial factory.
..or Schrade
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:06 pm
by cody6268
I almost won this one yesterday. Had meant to put a larger bid in, since I thought it ended today, NOT last night. Went just $4, and at $35, was still affordable. I sure hope someone here got it. Has to be a 1 of 1.
It's a prototype made for the Skoal promo, a one-spring knife, using a 34OT main blade, and a small clip point blade from a 44OT Workmate. That blade has been scalloped/serrated.
Seller's description. Didn't ask, but they may be a former Schrade employee, possibly in sales. Two production models were listed as being "from their sample roll".
As far as I know there is only one of these!! This knife was made as a sample prototype for the Skoal Smokeless Tobacco Division of US Tobacco. It's unique in that there are two tang stamps 34OT and 44OT. This makes sense as Schrade would have used blades they had on hand for the prototype, a 34OT blade from an Old Timer "Middleman" and a modified 44OT Old Timer "Workmate" blade.
In the 90's Schrade produced literally thousands of pocket knives for promotional use by US Tobacco for both the Copenhagen and Skoal brands of smokeless tobacco. The brand managers were always looking for new blade configurations and this was one of them. As far as I know, this one never went into production. It features green saw cut Delrin handles, mirror polished brass bolsters, 1095 high carbon steel blades, antique brass Skoal handle shield and solid brass linings.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:23 pm
by black mamba
I have a Schrade Walden 8OTY, but there is no Y in the tang stamp.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm
by Shearer
Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )
Grant
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:10 pm
by kootenay joe
The Robeson was made by Schrade (Walden ?) for Robeson ?
kj
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:28 pm
by Shearer
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:10 pm
The Robeson was made by Schrade (Walden ?) for Robeson ?
kj
KJ Here a topic with a few pictures
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40468&hilit=robeson+old+timer
Grant
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:21 am
by kootenay joe
Thanks Grant. So a bit of a mystery but definitely made by Schrade-Walden.
Did Imperial also use the Swinden key system ?
kj
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:29 am
by Shearer
kootenay joe wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:21 am
Thanks Grant. So a bit of a mystery but definitely made by Schrade-Walden.
Did Imperial also use the Swinden key system ?
kj
KJ
Imperial owned Schrade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Schrade
Grant
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:34 am
by kootenay joe
Schrade & Imperial merged in 1983 and after that did do work for each other. However from what i have read, only the Schrade factory was set up to do Swinden construction.
Your Robeson "Old Timer" dates to mid 1960's well before the Schrade-Imperial merger.
The history of Ulster/Schrade & Imperial is complex and online articles about their history give contradicting ownership stories as to who bought what and when.
kj.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:21 pm
by Meridian_Mike
black mamba wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:23 pm
I have a Schrade Walden 8OTY, but there is no Y in the tang stamp.
Those knives don't have a "Y" stamped at the end of the "8OT"...
The "Y" just stands for the yellow covers. It is just a way to distinguish between the regular issue.
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:44 am
by GSPTOPDOG
Shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm
Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )
Grant
I have an Ulster 580T with an "Old Timer" shield.
What's up with that?
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:08 am
by Shearer
GSPTOPDOG wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:44 am
Shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm
Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )
Grant
I have an Ulster 580T with an "Old Timer" shield.
What's up with that?
They made thousands of Ulster 580T with delrin handles and only a limited number with bone handles in the first years of production.
Grant
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:35 am
by GSPTOPDOG
Shearer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:08 am
GSPTOPDOG wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:44 am
Shearer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 pm
Here a few base on the Ulster 580T.
1. 500T (50T tang stamp ) bone
2. 580T bone
3.Imperial
4. Trustworthy Hardware
5. Robeson Shuredge (this knife has the Swindon system.As far as I can work out there was a sample lot madness for Robeson )
Grant
I have an Ulster 580T with an "Old Timer" shield.
What's up with that?
They made thousands of Ulster 580T with delrin handles and only a limited number with bone handles in the first years of production.
Grant
I though it was rare
So...
I'm not getting rich $$$ on the Ulster 580T with delrin handles?
Re: Those hard to find Old Timers
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:39 am
by Meridian_Mike
Not a knife that will let you retire.....sorry.
Those 58OTs were made by Ulster and were available through the Prince Albert tobacco offer.
I'm not sure how many were produced..... by many thousand I would imagine.