All About Pocket Knives

The older guys here didn't cut all the way through the shell. I'm not sure how it worked with paper shells. I'll ask dad, he's shot a few before.

From what I understand they'll work through a Browning A5. Just flip the magazine cutoff on the side, eject the shell in the chamber, drop in the ringed shell and you're good to go.

That's a new one to me.

Well I just recently stepped over into the modern world of plastic? pistols . Always tradin' here and there and ended up with 2 NIB toys. One is a Ruger SR22 for Miss Joy and the same dude had a Sccy CPX2 that came in a fantastic trade . I had just in the last month heard of Sccy, interesting company with an unbelievable warranty. The Sccy, pronounced "sky", appears to be for concealed carry, house or vehicle type firearm, probably not even close to a paper puncher, but with 10+1, it ought to be great for up close and personal if necessary.
When I get time, we'll run a few rounds through them and see if "plastic pistols" are what they are reported to be. It's a big step away from an old reliable walnut and blue steel wheel gun but it's so light . Time will tell.
Then to top off these new acquisitions a good friend gave me a Crimson Trace laser that fits the rail on the Ruger. Now that's a neat little device, you can drive a cat nuts with it out on the deck !
Treefarmer

You know, you can hold down the trigger on an old Winchester .22 pump and fire the entire magazine as fast as you can pump the mechanism. Not accurately, but still....

They don't mis-fire, although I've never tried it with a load of shorts. That might not work.

I had a Savage 99 years ago in the 1950's, 60's that had a half round/half octagon barrel. It was old, but I have no idea how old. It was an odd caliber and I don't recall what it might have been. Beautiful rifle, not fancy, just beautiful.

Charlie Noyes

I discovered this feature on an Ithaca Model 37 20 GA while shooting claybirds with a hand thrower. Once I figured out what had happened, I did it a few times but its probably not good for the trigger sear engagement.

I picked up an 1890 in 22 short last year just to have one. A fine piece of work in its own right and still shoots pretty well with a roached barrel. They were made for a long time, people must have liked them. I don't know, there's just something about a good 22 from back in the day.

A model 1899 with a half round half octagon barrel was a Model 1899 C was chambered in 303 Savage, 30-30, 25-35, 32-40 and 38-55, discontinued in 1919. All Winchester calibers except the 303 Sav. Nice rifle. As you said in another thread, you can't have enough books. There is only one for the 1899/99 Savages though. Another is in the works I hear.

When I go deer hunting here in Pa, I take a 99 in 300 Sav or one in 308W. Not much difference between the two cartridges as the 300S was the daddy to the 308W but the rifles vary some.

Steve, I'm a certified Ithaca 37 nut, well it's more of a sickness to tell the truth.

"Slam firing " as some call it will not hurt the Ithaca. By its design it will not fire until the bolt is locked into battery. No danger or damage to the sear either. Now you won't hit squat with the second shot, but it will teach you not to ride the trigger!

Colonel

I hear ya. I have only the one but it will be one of the last to go. The action is very smooth and it handles like a wand. I did have the barrel threaded for interchangeable chokes.

If I had it to do over again, I would have left it alone.

When people talk about a Model 12, I think they must be talking about the old Remington 22 pump

I have several each of 20's, 16's, and 12's. All but three are from 1948-1953 as those are the years I mostly collect. I do have a 1974 12 gauge 26 inch imp cyl, an Ultra Featherlight 20 gauge (alloy receiver, less than 6lbs) with a Sid Bell grip cap, and a pre war 16 gauge. I'm using them now, but they're ear marked for the boys when I'm done with em!

Speaking of shotguns, has anyone ever used a .410 barrel on a Savage 99 for more than a novelty or collectible? I picked one up a while back, borrowed a take-down to try it out, and now I'm sitting on the fence trying to decide if I want to eventually acquire a takedown so I can use it as a really nifty .410 single shot! I'm just not sure I'd get enough fun out of it to be worth the effort.

I've never heard of such a thing. It sure sounds fun though!

What would it need to be chambered in to allow for the 410? Or would any of them do? A 22HP would be pretty slick but a little spendy too.

Steve, I don't think the original cartridge matters as much as the base gun.

Savage used to make a take-down 99. The first version used an interrupted thread on the barrel shank, so you only gave it a half-turn to remove or install the barrel. About 1920, Savage decided to use a full-thread, so you had to turn the barrel through 7 or 8 revolutions to install or remove it. When they went to the full-thread, they added the option of an additional .410 barrel. I don't know if the barrel will work on the interrupted-thread models (I think it will, just not sure).

So to use the barrel, you'd need to have a take-down 99. I've seen the original combinations in 300 Savage, 22 High-power, and .303 Savage. I've seen "assembled" combinations (start with a base rifle and add barrels when you find them) in 22HP/410, .25-35/410, 303/410, 30-30/410, and .303Sav/410. The one I borrowed to test the barrel was actually a re-built take-down with barrels in 22HP, 30-30, and 38-55.

The .410 barrel uses the breech of the 99, but not the action or extractor. It is a single-shot, and you insert and remove the shells with your fingers. Due to the restrictions imposed by the over-all length of the action, you're limited to a 2 1/2" 410 shell.

Now, the 1/2 ounce payload of the 2 1/2" 410 isn't anything to write home about, but it is "usable" if you drop a size or two from the shot you'd use for the same game in a 12 or 20 gauge, and restrict your max range to about 25-30 yards.

I'm just not much of a shot-gunner. . . . As originally conceived, the idea was that the .410 barrel would give the shooter the option of a shotgun for small game, particularly on big-game hunts. That isn't a bad plan, I just prefer a 22 handgun for the same role. I haven't convinced myself that I want to spend what it would cost to get a take-down 99, only to use it as a single-shot .410. Know what I mean?

On the other hand, if I could talk the guy out of his custom 22HP/30-30/38-55, a 410 barrel would fit right in.

Jim

Jim;

Your are right about the chambering not being the issue. I was thinking receiver length but they are all the same into the 50's when a change was made to accommodate the 308 class of carts around '57 or so.

I had a take down at one time, a model 1899 250-3000 I bought out of Texas. Too pretty to hunt it so it went to a new owner. It had the interrupted thread system on it. Still have a few solid frames to hunt with. I'd have to look into whether or not the quarter turn threads and full threads were interchangeable just to satisfy my own curiosity now.

You're right it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to get a TD just to have a single shot 410 unless one lands in your lap for cheap.

Steve

steve99f.................


I like your signature!

gmusic,
You like his signature and I like your shootin'!
Tell us about those 3 groups if you don't mind, inquiring shooters want to know.
Treefarmer

Treefarmer, The 7mm Rem Mag is my hunting rifle, it's a blue printed Remington 700 action with a Bartlein 5R, 1 in 9 twist barrel. It's new and I'm developing a load for it............. I'm getting close!

The 6mm is a 6X47 built buy a guy down in your neck of the woods. His name is Bobby Martinez, he owns the Accuracy shop in St Amant La. I traded some knives for it and this rifle is as good as they get, it's a screamer............. The only reason that the one group isn't one hole......the shooter.

Thanks but I can't claim any originality. I believe that was a line from Mel Gibson's character in the Patriot film he did. I think.

Nice shootin'.

Correct steve.....it was Mel. Who knows before that. Thanks for the compliment, I got lucky..

Maybe, but I don't think the wind blew those that close together. Speaking of shooting I found these at a local shop: almost 3 full boxes of 180 gr 300 Sav and the two boxes on Monark 22's. Not sure how old the 300 boxes are but they don't have the bar code on them. They don't look that old maybe the 70's or 80's, just guessing.

Trading a few this week, and ended up with this Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact, 9mm* ___ great shooter and I can go from Compact (13 rds.) to Full Size (19 rds.) _ with the ""Mag X-Tension"" !!!! __ I like the longer grips for the practice range*-- the shorter one for carry* ____ have a great day,my friends !!!______________Monk

That looks like a great package Monk. Offers a lot of flexibility. Good luck with it.

Looking at Monk's new rig made think of an item I saw at the shop where I found the vintage ammo. They had a very long 45ACP magazine made to fit the gov't model auto. Used. Don't know how many rounds it held but the sucker was at least 18 inches long. If interested call the store, Quinby's Gun Shop 215 249 1144. I think they had marked at 20 or 25 bucks. Looked OK to me condition-wise.

The Monarks I haven't seen in years Steve, seems it's Remington and CCI nowadays.


Cool new 9 there Monk! You got the whole kit and caboodle.......



We shoot AR500 steel plates at least once a month, my wife is deadly accurate with her compact .45.

The end flaps on those Monarks are dated 1944. One of the old Federal brands.

Anyone know anything about pin fires? I have this old S X S 2 shooter. Hinged action hammer gun. No markings I can find anywhere on it. Probably European. Approx 10/11 mm caliber. Seems to be all there. Interested in any opinions about value too. Received as a gift, not interested in shooting this if ammo could be found. I have no attachment to this so make an offer if interested.

Not recommending this, but I think .410 shot shells will fit a 12mm chamber.

I once had a five shot European 12mm revolver with a barrel of less than one inch.

It would chamber and fire the old short .410 shells. A longer shell, after firing would extend beyond the cylinder and interfere with its rotation.

I think the piece was made to drop behind the German lines for Partisan use.

Charlie Noyes