A place to discuss & share pictures of counterfeit knives. Please be sure to alert the AAPK community if you spot one. Also make sure to ask questions if you are not certain about the authenticity of a knife you are considering buying or selling. There are plenty of great people here willing to help.
I think you said everything i was thinking Jerry.
If you are listing something that you know their is something wrong with and don't tell. That is called a lie. Not telling the whole truth is a lie. I go by what GOD says. Thou shalt not lie. Love your neighbor as your self. Think of it as this way, would you treat yourself like this?
Something to think about
"Never, never, never give up."
Winston Churchill
"He has given you the spirit of repentance, a soul that longs for redemption.
He is quick to forgive, and kind in His mercy toward you, a lowly sinner."
This has been discussed at nauseum on this forum but for those that are fairly new to the AAPK forum in general...
Over the last seven years as a member here, I guesstimate that like 25% of the knives posted in the Counterfeit Forum involve this seller whether they fall into the category of cobbled, reworked, re-handled, counterfeit or otherwise any knife that is not original as it was from the factory. Could be more, could be less than 25% but that is my best estimate.
So I feel safe in saying, not a "one off" and "give benefit of the doubt" (as I am way beyond doubt personally at this point) situation given the history. My personal opinion only.
You decide as there is certainly plenty of examples, posts, member statements, opinions and experiences to determine your own opinion. In other words, "your mileage may vary".
For reference to my stance and comments....
Unscrupulous definition:
The unscrupulous person is without scruples of conscience, and disregards, or has contempt for, laws of right or justice with which he or she is perfectly well acquainted, and which should restrain his or her actions: unscrupulous in methods of making money, in taking advantage of the unfortunate.
That doesn't sound like a good quality does it? There are of course numerous folks that fit that description on the planet. However, "Caveat Emptor" although sound advice, just doesn't excuse it for me.
Bottom line, I personally cannot in good conscience overlook the behavior as described above in previous paragraph definition and deal with an individual that fits that description and feel good about the man/ reflection I see in the mirror in the morning. I don't care who it is. For a knife or anything else for that matter.
My comments are not limited or targeted to one unscrupulous seller. Not better than anyone else and their decisions are their decisions. I just think if I know a seller is a crook (in my opinion) and still choose to do business with them while they burn the less knowledgeable, I am perpetuating the cycle and actually fostering continued bad behavior on their part. Personally I refuse to do that. Sadly, "dollars do talk"and when someone is squeezed by boycott or sanction, they tend to change quickly. Even if they don't, my dollars or actions are not supporting them. Good enough and works for me. To each his own of course as far as other's choices.
Jerry
That man is a success who has lived well, laughed often and loved much; who leaves the world better than he found it; who never lacked appreciation of earth's beauty or failed to express it; who looked for the best in other's and gave the best he had.
IMO buying from him helps perpetuate his unscrupulous ways. Cracked handles, frankenknives, cobbled crap, re-handled, fake stamps and the like are sold by him all too often with absolutely no mention of it. I can't help but think there are young collectors that have bought and subsequently found out what they have only to quit collecting knives because of him and his like.
I have a personal "do not buy from eBay sellers list" and be assured sportcolbs is on it. Everyone has there own buying criteria and I won't argue against it but the sellers on this list could be selling the grail and I would not bid. I won't willingly put my money in the pocket of a thief.
If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.
peanut740 wrote:Jerry,I agree.Some novice,who doesn't know anything about knives,get ranked over the coals quite often on this forum. Then some give Bill Swan,aka sporty gets a pass for all kinds of reasons.He has over 72000 feedbacks,which means he has likely sold well over 100000 knives.He doesn't care if a knife is good or bad.He just sells them.Him playing dumb,really doesn't work for me either.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
peanut740 wrote:Jerry,I agree.Some novice,who doesn't know anything about knives,get ranked over the coals quite often on this forum. Then some give Bill Swan,aka sporty gets a pass for all kinds of reasons.He has over 72000 feedbacks,which means he has likely sold well over 100000 knives.He doesn't care if a knife is good or bad.He just sells them.Him playing dumb,really doesn't work for me either.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
Jerry 'zp' says "Why even have a counterfeit forum if we articulate and those comments"
Because it yields a discussion in which a lot of very specific knife knowledge gets posted and the rest of us learn more about the brand and pattern involved.
Re-worked knives are an excellent teaching aid and there are relative experts here for most USA brands so we learn what is true rather than just speculation.
Some ebay knife sellers are also serious knife collectors and some are just 'sellers'. To a collector representing the knife as accurately as you can is important. Our hobby is based on being accurate. To a 'seller' type of person, selling the knife is what is most important.
This does not justify being less than fully honest but it is a fairly common condition.
kj
kootenay joe wrote:Jerry 'zp' says "Why even have a counterfeit forum if we articulate and those comments"
Because it yields a discussion in which a lot of very specific knife knowledge gets posted and the rest of us learn more about the brand and pattern involved.
Re-worked knives are an excellent teaching aid and there are relative experts here for most USA brands so we learn what is true rather than just speculation.
Some ebay knife sellers are also serious knife collectors and some are just 'sellers'. To a collector representing the knife as accurately as you can is important. Our hobby is based on being accurate. To a 'seller' type of person, selling the knife is what is most important.
This does not justify being less than fully honest but it is a fairly common condition.
kj
"Hate on and love through unrepining hours
Our Souls are love and a continual farewell"
---William Butler Yeats
Or in this case let's keep on arguing about it--we all have some completely valid points--but lets keep cranking out the CW posts too. I agree, KJ, I've learned a lot this week alone about Pre-20's Case knives on this post and Western States on another. I study my pattern really hard. But I'm up in my head with it mostly; it's good to air it out even if it mean's getting corrected or re-directed--hell--crow tastes like chicken anyway! Plus we're naming the crooked, and the ignorant, and the indifferent sellers for buyers to beware of---and look at all the friends we're making along the way! Safe Holiday--brothers!
