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Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
This morning, my trip to the post office produced this advertising, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a VOOS, one blade, one tang stamp, 3" closed, all metal, advertising, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. The main blade front tang stamp says "VOOS (over) MADE IN (over) U.S.A." This is my fourth VOOS, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. This is my second VOOS, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife, that advertises this particular company, business, product, event, etc. The main handle side says, "Clipper Belt Lacer Co. - Grand Rapids, Michigan" It also says "patented" above the loop or ring. The other handle side has an image of a sailing ship that has "clipper" spelled out in the sails. The ship is inside an oval and the oval is between the words, "TRADE" and "MARK" Overall, this is my fifteenth advertising, fob or key ring pocket knife, that is this particular pattern or style. But, this is my seventh advertising, fob or key ring pocket knife, in this particular pattern or style, that does NOT have a W & H tang stamp. My other fourteen advertising, fob or key ring pocket knives, in this particular pattern or style, have ALL been previously posted under this topic or thread. This pocket knife is in GOOD condition. I gave it a very minor cleaning. I took some pictures and here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** Here is the most recent, up to date list, of the cutlery companies that possibly made,
or possibly had a hand in the manufacturing of, pocket knives for Whitehead & Hoag. *****
H. BOKER (U.S.A.) - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
CATTARAUGUS CUTLERY COMPANY - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
L. F. & C. - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
MERIDEN - Slight Chance Of Involvement.
REMINGTON UMC - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
ROBESON - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
E. C. SIMMONS KEEN KUTTER - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
VALLEY FORGE - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
VOOS - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
***** TRIVIA *****
See My Post From Saturday, June 24, 2023.
Attachments
The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
This past April 2nd, I bought this advertising pocket knife. It took me three months to post it, due to a variety of frustrating reasons. But, it now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, two blades (both broken), one tool (a punch or awl, also broken), four tang stamps, 3 1/2" closed, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife. This pocket knife DOES have some weight to it. Three of the tang stamps are the curved or arched style, WITHOUT the USA in the center. The other tang stamp is a patent date stamp. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The secondary blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The tool front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The tool back tang stamp says "PATENTED (over) JULY 25, 1911" The main handle side is the personalization side and is VERY worn. It says, what I can make out, "AWARDED TO - (there is a "banner" with a written, unreadable name, engraved on it) - (a word ending in what looks like a "Y") MINE" The other handle side has an emblem or logo of a circle with "SAFETY - FIRST" inside it. Then it says "RECORD MINE - FOR SAFETY - 1914" Then there is another emblem or logo of a circle with "MP - Co" or "PM - Co", inside it. The 1914 on the one handle side, is a GREAT help in dating the W & H tang stamp(s). This is only the second W & H, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife that I have ever seen. The first one was posted, under this topic or thread, by AAPK member, Pile Driver, on Wednesday, November 10, 2021. But, this is the first W & H, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife that I own. It is a real shame that this pocket knife has the two broken blades and the broken tool. The two blade stubs are razor sharp. Both have a VERY CRISP half stop and a VERY NASTY, opening and closing snap. The tool stub also has a VERY CRISP half stop and a VERY NASTY, opening and closing snap. Now I have to find an INTACT, W & H, example of an advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife. (Psssst, hey you....., yes you. Can you keep a secret? I found one and I have it! A real beauty too! So stay tuned.....) So, what cutlery company or what knife company manufactured or at the very least, had a hand in the manufacturing of this pocket knife? At the moment, I do not know. However, the hunting and the investigating continues. This pocket knife did NOT need any cleaning at all. I just wiped it off. I took some pictures and here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** TRIVIA *****
I searched and searched and searched the internet, for ANYTHING at all on the MP or PM Company.
I found nothing at all. But, what I did learn, was that there was a U.S. patent issued, for an awl or
punch, on July 25, 1911. That patent was issued to George Schrade (see picture #9 below). I did find
the match safe, also pictured below (#10). Included, as a caption, is the seller's description of the item.
It definitely appears to be related to the pocket knife. My pocket knife does NOT have the red enamel on
the emblems or logos, like the match safe has. The item is NOT mine. The pictures are NOT mine.
An unrelated fact. The First World War (WWI), started on July 28, 1914.
Attachments
Left -The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp. Right - The Secondary Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Left - The Tool Front Tang Stamp. Right - The Tool Back Tang Stamp.
The July 25, 1911 Patent Information.
The 1915 Match Safe, Front And Back. The Seller's Description: Bangor Mine Safety Award match safe, MP Co. nickel plated, dated 1915. This is a rare 1915 safety award presentation match safe awarded to Wm. Eddy by the Bangor Mine, Bangor, PA. The front is embossed "1915, MP Co., Record Mine for Safety, Safety First" with red enamel highlights. The reverse is marked "Awarded to: Wm Eddy, Bangor Mine." It has a unique mechanical locking lid that pivots on two side slotted bars and a locking device for the lid on top. One side bar is stamped "Pat. Oct. 1912" references patent number 1,040,931 issued on Oct. 8, 1912. The match safe is nickel plated brass and measures approximately 3 1/8 x 1 1/2 inches with a striker to the bottom. Excellent condition." Made By The Same Company That Made The Pocket Knife?
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
This past April 30th, I bought this advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, two blades, one tool (a punch or awl), one tang stamp, 3 1/2" closed, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife. This pocket knife does have some weight to it. The tang stamp is the curved or arched style, WITHOUT the USA in the center. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The main handle side has a logo or emblem with the letter "B" inside a larger letter "C" and both the "B" and the "C" are inside an even larger letter "O" There is a "2" at the lower right of the "O" (it means Baur CO2). Then it says "THE BAUR - CARBONIC CO. - INDIANAPOLIS" Next is another logo or emblem. It is a circle with "BAUR - REDTOP - CO2" inside it. The other handle side is the personalization side and has the name "T. E. EDWARDS", engraved in BLOCK letters, on a "banner." This is only the third W & H, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife that I have ever seen. The first one was posted, under this topic or thread, by AAPK member, Pile Driver. He posted it on Wednesday, November 10, 2021. This is the second W & H, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife that I now have in my collection. However, this is my first INTACT example of a W & H, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife. My BROKEN, W & H, advertising, cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife, was previously posted under this topic or thread, on Sunday, July 2, 2023. The main blade of this pocket knife has a good half stop, with a good opening and closing snap. The secondary blade has a weak half stop, but it has a good opening and closing snap. The tool also has a weak half stop, but it does have a good opening and closing snap. So again the question arises. What cutlery company or knife company manufactured, or at the very least, had a hand in the manufacturing of this pocket knife? Again, I do not know. But the hunting and the investigating enthusiastically continues. Almost 18 MONTHS passed between the post by Pile Driver and finding and obtaining my BROKEN, W & H, advertising, cattleman pocket knife. But, ONLY 28 DAYS passed between finding and obtaining the BROKEN, W & H, advertising, cattleman pocket knife, and finding and obtaining this INTACT, W & H, advertising, cattleman pocket knife. This pocket knife is in EXCELLENT+ condition. Besides the advertising, having two broken blades and a broken tool, there are some other differences between my two W & H, cattleman pocket knives. This pocket knife did NOT need any cleaning at all. I just wiped it off. I took some pictures and here it is.
Captions, if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** Pile Driver, If you ever want to sell your W & H, PM me PLEASE! I am definitely NOT a cheapskate.
***** TRIVIA *****
There is PLENTY of information, regarding this company, to be found on the internet.
I could NOT find any information on Mr. T. E. EDWARDS, with a basic Google search.
The Baur pictures below are NOT mine. The 1912 ads pictured below, are NOT mine.
The following article is from the Tribune-Star, a Terre Haute, Indiana, newspaper.
"HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE: Jacob Baur still recognized as ‘Father of the Soda Fountain’
By Mike McCormick - Special to the Tribune-Star Jul 3, 2010"
"Terre Haute pharmacist Jacob Baur was on the cutting edge of scientific discovery in 1888. Soon after the turn of the 20th Century, he was tagged “The Father of the Soda Fountain.” Baur still is described by that epithet more than a century later. The oldest son of preeminent Terre Haute pharmacist John Jacob “J.J.” Baur, Jacob was born Oct. 12, 1856, in Louisville. Mary, Jacob’s mother, gave birth to seven Baur children: Mary, Jacob, Charles, Edward, Daniel, Kate and Caroline. Soon after Mary’s death, J.J. Baur wed Katherine Stuber, who had a daughter by a prior marriage named Katherine “Kate” Metzel. The reconstructed Baur family moved to Terre Haute in 1867 and resided at 202 S. Eighth St. The 1880 census raises speculation that J.J. and Katherine Baur had separated. J.J., Jacob, Edward and Charles list their address at 701 Wabash Ave., the site of Baur’s Drug Store on the southeast corner of Seventh and Wabash. Charles and Jacob were attending the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy at the time. Charles graduated in 1880 and Jacob received a diploma in 1881. Katherine is listed as residing at the S. Eighth St. address in 1880 with her 22-year old daughter Kate, stepson Daniel, step-daughter Caroline and five children of her marriage to the elder Baur: Oscar, Arthur, Annette or “Nettie,” Cecilia and Blanche. Kate Metzel married Eugene V. Debs on June 8, 1895. Mary wed David C. Greiner on May 26, 1868. Caroline married Henry Spruhan Sept. 28, 1886; Annette wed Ira Calder November 29, 1895; Cecilia married Albert W. Martin Nov. 20, 1901; and Blanche wed Frank Bogart on Nov. 7, 1906. J.J. Baur died suddenly in early 1886 while visiting his native Switzerland. His remains were returned for burial at Woodlawn Cemetery on May 20, 1886, next to his son Edward, who died Dec. 20, 1881. Upon graduating from pharmacy school, Jacob and Charley united to manage the drug store. Charley was a master of public relations. Jacob was a chemist who concocted lotions, creams and proprietary remedies. Baur’s Lettuce Lotion, “a beautifier” for the face and hands, was a bestseller. Baur’s Iron, Wine and Peruvian Bark was a tonic for tired and overworked breadwinners. In 1887, Charley accepted the opportunity to manage the Terre Haute House, across the street from the drug store. As a result, Jacob assumed command of the store by himself. Working alone, Jacob studied the chemical elements of “soda water.” His goal was to liquefy carbon dioxide and distribute it under pressure in cylinders. By late 1887, Jacob felt he had the answer. Marketing it was not easy. Cylinders containing carbonic gas were intimidating to prospective purchasers. Jacob turned to family and friends for advice. Charley and half-brother Oscar, then a student at Rose Poly, were advisers. So were brothers-in-law Spruhan and Beach. Deloss and Charles Minshall and William P. Ijams had considerable business and banking savvy. After helping Jacob and heading several corporate enterprises, Oscar returned to Terre Haute after Prohibition to resurrect the Terre Haute Brewing Co. Eight prospective stockholders entered into an agreement Nov. 1, 1888 to form Liquid Carbonic Acid Manufacturing Co. with $75,000 in paid-in capital. Jacob agreed to buy 325 shares at $100 a share. Deloss W. Minshall purchased 100. Charles bought 75 shares by himself and acquired another 75 shares jointly with Jacob. The shareholders decided to open their principal corporate office in Chicago at 437-45 Illinois St. Jacob commuted from Terre Haute to Chicago for several years, remaining proprietor of Baur’s Drug Store until 1900 when Arthur succeeded him. Liquid Carbonic produced its first cylinder of Red Diamond carbon dioxide gas in 1889 and sold customers a charging outfit which included the cylinder, a regulator, a gauge, a wall clamp, a charging hose and a wooden rocker. Once bottlers and soda fountain operators realized the convenience and safety of carbon dioxide cylinders, the demand grew quickly. The company soon began manufacturing carbonators and dispensing apparatus for beer. Plants were established in St. Louis, Chicago and Pittsburgh. At the 1893 World’s Columbian Exposition in Chicago, a spectacular exhibit by Liquid Carbonic Acid Manufacturing Co. won the medal for industrial achievement by demonstrating equipment “for carbonating soda and mineral waters, bottled drinks, wines and champagne … and for carbonating beer in breweries …” The company was awarded a contract to supply carbon dioxide for concessions at the exposition. The board authorized the purchase of 1,000 soda fountains for use at the fair at $20 a piece. In 1896, a new factory opened in Milwaukee and flavors and extracts were added to Liquid Carbonic’s product line. Fruits and syrups were included in the 1897 catalog since other suppliers could not be trusted to provide quality products. For the same reason, the company began manufacturing soda fountains. “The very life of our business is being menaced by the neglect of sanitation by some soda fountain manufacturers,” a company publication asserted. Jacob Baur’s motto — “Perseverance … Accuracy … Dispatch” — was reflected in the company’s 1900 supply catalog. In 1903, Baur recommended that the corporate name be shortened to “The Liquid Carbonic Company.” Corporate headquarters were moved to a new eight-story building at the corner of Wells and Michigan streets. The facility was considerably larger than any of the company’s previous headquarters. On Nov. 23, 1908, Jacob wed Bertha Duppler, a stenographer turned lawyer from Mineral Point, Wis. The couple had a daughter named Rosemary before Jacob’s untimely death at age 55 on June 19, 1912. On Aug. 1, 1926 — the year she was named to the Republican National Committee — Bertha sold her Liquid Carbonic stock for $4 million. She already had waged a spirited but unsuccessful campaign to secure the Republican congressional nomination. Before her death at age 96 on July 9, 1967, Bertha was official hostess for the 1944 and 1952 Republican National Conventions in Chicago. She is buried next to Jacob at Terre Haute’s Highland Lawn Cemetery. On her 18th birthday in 1929, Rosemary Baur inherited $2.5 million from a trust established by her father. A graduate of Bryn Mawr College and “Chicago’s richest debutante,” she wed Brennan Bartle Bull, a graduate of Oxford University and a member of Parliament, in 1931."
The following information is NOT from or a part of the above article. I found it in a random Google search.
"In 1914, Oscar retired from Liquid Carbonics and moved to Indianapolis, Indiana. There, he founded Baur Carbonic Acid Company, Baur Track Company, and the Broad Ripple Amusement Park. Baur Carbonic Co. owner Oscar Baur purchased a controlling interest in 1924 with the goal of enlarging the park and making it “the show spot of the city,” said Baur. In 1933, at the repeal of Prohibition, Oscar moved back to Terre Haute and reopened the Terre Haute Brewing Company. By 1940, it was Indiana’s largest brewery. He died January 23, 1952 at an age of eighty-four years."
Attachments
The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Left - Jacob Baur. Circa ? Right - Bertha Baur, Jacob's Wife. Circa 1926.
Two Ads From 1912.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
This morning, my trip to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, one blade, one tang stamp, 2 7/32" closed, all metal, advertising, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. It has the curved or arched style of tang stamp, WITH the USA in the center. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) USA (over) NEWARK NJ" The main handle side says "THE FIRESTONE BANK - LISBON, OHIO." It also says "PAT. PEND." below the main blade pivot pin. The other handle side says "FIFTIETH ANNIVERSARY - 1879 1929" This is my second W & H, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife, that advertises this particular business, company, product, event, etc. My other one has been previously posted under this topic or thread. Overall, this pocket knife is in VERY GOOD condition. This pocket knife only needed a very minor cleaning. I took some pictures and here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** TRIVIA *****
See My Post From Thursday, May 25, 2023.
Attachments
The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
C-WADE7 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:23 am
Lot.....
Thank you, Coley.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Recently, my trip to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a VALLEY FORGE, two blades, one tool (a file), four tang stamps, 3 1/8" closed, "split spring" (I KNOW IT IS NOT A TRUE SPLIT SPRING), advertising, whittler, pattern or style of pocket knife. Three of the tang stamps are the curved or arched style, WITH the U.S.A. in the center (sound familiar?) The other tang stamp is the VALLEY FORGE logo stamp. The main blade front tang stamp says "VALLEY FORGE (over) U.S.A. (over) CUTLERY CO. (over) NEWARK, N.J." The main blade back tang stamp has a "V F" inside a double circle. The secondary blade front tang stamp says "VALLEY FORGE (over) U.S.A. (over) CUTLERY CO. (over) NEWARK, N.J." The tool back tang stamp says "VALLEY FORGE (over) U.S.A. (over) CUTLERY CO. (over) NEWARK, N.J." The main handle side says "THE MARTIN DENNIS COMPANY - 859 SUMMER AVENUE - NEWARK NEW JERSEY U.S.A." The other handle side says "CHEMICAL SPECIALTIES FOR TANNERS - ACIDOLENE TANOLIN KROMOID - CHROMOL PUERINE" I bought this particular pocket knife because it is potentially ANOTHER clue linking VALLEY FORGE CUTLERY COMPANY to the Whitehead & Hoag Company. Now, I need to find an almost identical, whittler, pattern or style of pocket knife with a W & H tang stamp or tang stamps. Does an example of this pocket knife even exist? This, I do not know. But, I also did not know that a cattleman, pattern or style of pocket knife, with a W & H tang stamp or tang stamps, existed. Now, I have two of them (previously posted). I have also previously posted, on Tuesday, August 10, 2021, under this topic or thread, another VALLEY FORGE CUTLERY COMPANY pocket knife that is a completely DIFFERENT pattern or style from this one. I was able to link it to the Whitehead & Hoag Company (99.999% sure). This pocket knife is in EXCELLENT condition. It did NOT need cleaning. I took some pictures and here it is. The very last picture shows this VALLEY FORGE CUTLERY COMPANY pocket knife with five, W & H tang stamped pocket knives, that are SIMILAR to, but are obviously NOT exactly the same as this VALLEY FORGE pocket knife. Did VALLEY FORGE CUTLERY COMPANY manufacture, or at the very least, have a hand in the manufacturing of one or more of these pocket knives? Maybe, maybe not. The hunt and investigation continues.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** Here is the most recent, up to date list, of the cutlery companies that possibly made,
or possibly had a hand in the manufacturing of, pocket knives for Whitehead & Hoag. *****
H. BOKER (U.S.A.) - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
CATTARAUGUS CUTLERY COMPANY - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
L. F. & C. - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
MERIDEN - Slight Chance Of Involvement.
REMINGTON UMC - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
ROBESON - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
E. C. SIMMONS KEEN KUTTER - No Hard Evidence (So Far).
VALLEY FORGE - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
VOOS - 99.999% sure of Involvement.
***** TRIVIA *****
With just a basic Google search, I could NOT find
much of anything related to THE MARTIN DENNIS COMPANY.
Attachments
Left - The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp. Right - The Main Blade Back Tang Stamp.
Left - The Secondary Blade Front Tang Stamp. Right - The Tool Back Tang Stamp.
The Top Pocket Knife Is The Valley Forge Pocket Knife. Did The Valley Forge Cutlery Company Manufacture, Or Have A Hand In The Manufacturing Of All Or Any Of The Five W & H Tang Stamped Pocket Knives Pictured Below It?
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Very recently, my visit to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, one blade, one tang stamp, 2 7/32" closed, all metal, advertising, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. It has the curved or arched style of tang stamp, WITH the USA in the center. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) USA (over) NEWARK NJ" The main handle side says, "THE WHITEHEAD & HOAG CO. - NEWARK, N.J., U.S.A." The other handle side says nothing, it is blank. This is my seventh, W & H, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife, that advertises this particular company, business, product, event, etc. My other six, with two different body types or styles, have ALL been previously posted under this topic or thread. Four have the same body type or style as this pocket knife being posted. My other two have a completely different body type or style. Overall, this pocket knife is in GOOD condition. I cleaned it up a bit. I took some pictures and here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** TRIVIA *****
There is a TON of information, to be found on the internet, regarding The Whitehead & Hoag Company.
But, as far as these W & H advertising pocket knives are concerned, per GOINS....."c 1870-1959 Whitehead
& Hoag was founded in 1870. They went out of business about 1959. This was an advertising specialties firm;
the knives were made for them by a variety of cutlery manufacturers." I have been thinking, for some time
now, that GOINS' may NOT be entirely, 100% accurate in their description. I have a theory, but no hard evidence
to back it. Not yet anyway. More to follow.....
Attachments
The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Very recently, my trip to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, two blades, two tang stamps, 3 5/16" closed, advertising, pattern or style of pocket knife. It has the curved or arched style of tang stamp, WITHOUT the USA in the middle. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK NJ" The secondary blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK NJ" The main handle side has a logo with "SAFETY - COMMITTEE" inside a circle, with a cross inside a smaller circle and says "WESTCHESTER - LIGHTING - COMPANY" The other handle side also has a logo with "SAFETY - COMMITTEE" inside a circle, with a cross inside a smaller circle. It also says "WESTCHESTER - LIGHTING - COMPANY" This is my first, W & H pocket knife, that advertises this particular company, business, product, event, etc. Both blades have a crisp opening and closing snap. This pocket knife is in EXCELLENT condition. It required NO cleaning at all. I took some pictures and here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** TRIVIA *****
With Just A Basic Google Search, I Could Not Find Much Of Anything Regarding
This Company. What I Did Find, Is From A Site Called SoYo Sunset (From June 2010).
"Westchester Lighting Company was the electric and gas utility
in the 1930s and '40s. Its headquarters was at 45 South Broadway."
The last three pictures are of WESTCHESTER LIGHTING COMPANY ads, a newspaper
article and the 45 South Broadway building. All the ads and the article are from one
newspaper, The Herald Statesman, but from different dates.
Attachments
Left - The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp. Right - The Secondary Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Top - Left, December 21, 1932. - Right, December 13, 1933. Bottom - Left, March 26, 1934 - Right, December 5, 1934.
Top - Left, December 5, 1934. - Right, February 16, 1935. Bottom - Left, December 2, 1942. - Right, October 11, 1946.
Top - Article, February 20, 1935. Bottom - "45 South Broadway is now unoccupied, because of structural and financial problems." Circa 2010(?)
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Yesterday afternoon, my visit to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, one blade, one tang stamp, 2 7/32" closed, all metal, advertising, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. It has the curved or arched style of tang stamp, WITH the USA in the center. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) USA (over) NEWARK NJ" The main handle side says "CUPPLES - TIRES AND TUBES" The other handle side has an image of a rhinoceros and says "TOUGH - AS A - RHINO" This is my first W & H, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife, that advertises this particular product, business, company, event, etc. This pocket knife is in EXCELLENT condition. This pocket knife needed no cleaning. I just wiped it off. I took some pictures, here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
Click on a picture to ENLARGE.
***** TRIVIA *****
There is information and images to be found with just a basic Google search.
The last three pictures are just a minor sampling of ads for CUPPLES TIRES AND TUBES.
I like how the inner and outer tire tread patterns resemble the letter, "C"
They are NOT my items. They are NOT my pictures.
Click on the following link, it is safe, to access a long, but VERY interesting article, on CUPPLES
TIRES AND TUBES and the various companies it evolved into. There are MANY, MANY images also. https://www.google.com/url?q=https://di ... ydUN3m7PAE
Attachments
The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Ad #1. Circa 1920's.
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Ad #2. Circa 1920's.
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Ad #3. Circa 1920's.
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Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Waukonda wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:30 am
Wow.....
Thank you, Ike.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
This morning, my visit to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, two blades, two tang stamps, 3 1/8" closed, all metal, advertising, pocket knife. The main blade front tang stamp is the curved or arched style stamp, WITHOUT the USA in the center. It says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The secondary blade front tang stamp is also the curved or arched style stamp, WITHOUT the USA in the center. It also says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The main handle side says "SCOTTISH UNION & NATIONAL - INSURANCE COMPANY - HARTFORD, CONN." and also has a "coat of arms" or "crest" type of logo or emblem. The other handle side says "1824-ONE HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY-1924" This is my third W & H pocket knife that advertises this particular company, business, product, organization, event, etc. My other two have been previously posted under this topic or thread. Overall, this pocket knife is in VERY GOOD condition. This pocket knife needed no cleaning at all. I just wiped it off, took some pictures and here it is.
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***** TRIVIA *****
See My Post From Friday, October 21, 2022.
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The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
The Secondary Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
New_Windsor_NY wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:00 pm
This morning, my visit to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, two blades, two tang stamps, 3 1/8" closed, all metal, advertising, pocket knife. The main blade front tang stamp is the curved or arched style stamp, WITHOUT the USA in the center. It says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The secondary blade front tang stamp is also the curved or arched style stamp, WITHOUT the USA in the center. It also says "THE W & H CO (over) NEWARK, NJ" The main handle side says "SCOTTISH UNION & NATIONAL - INSURANCE COMPANY - HARTFORD, CONN." and also has a "coat of arms" or "crest" type of logo or emblem. The other handle side says "1824-ONE HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY-1924" This is my third W & H pocket knife that advertises this particular company, business, product, organization, event, etc. My other two have been previously posted under this topic or thread. Overall, this pocket knife is in VERY GOOD condition. This pocket knife needed no cleaning at all. I just wiped it off, took some pictures and here it is.
Caption(s), if any, are on the BOTTOM of the corresponding picture(s).
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***** TRIVIA *****
See My Post From Friday, October 21, 2022.
Catching up on this thread. Really enjoying the read. Some very nice finds and some great historical info to go with them. Some are in fantastic shape.
Sometimes I Sit and Think .... Other times I just Sit
I May Grow Older, But I refuse to Grow Up!!
I'll sharpen it for you, but I don't give out band-aids!!
Papa Bones wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:38 pm
Catching.....
Thank you, Smitty.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
I was searching for something on Google and I stumbled on the following by accident.
It is from a book titled,
"A REPORT: 72 MASTER LETTERS AND WHAT MADE THEM PAY"
"EXACTLY AS SYSTEM, The MAGAZINE of BUSINESS, COLLECTS THE UNUSUALLY PROFITABLE METHODS AND
POLICIES FOR CARRYING OUT ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF A BUSINESS, THIS REPORT BRINGS TOGETHER THE
NEWEST IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVED EXCEPTIONALLY EFFECTIVE IN BETTERING RESULTS IN ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THOSE ACTIVITIES."
"Investigation No.34"
"A REPORT ON 72 MASTER LETTERS AND WHAT MADE THEM PAY."
"FROM AMONG 5,063 SUCCESSFUL LETTERS GATHERED THROUGH A NATION-WIDE INVESTIGATION, THE BUREAU OF
BUSINESS STANDARDS OF THE SHAW PUBLICATIONS SELECTS AND ANALYSES THE EXCEPTIONALLY EFFECTIVE."
"A. W. SHAW COMPANY"
"CHICAGO NEW YORK LONDON"
"Copyright, 1924, by A. W. SHAW COMPANY"
PRINTED IN THE U. S. A."
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"IT MADE GOOD" "The principle of the visionary or negative idea as applied to letters-that is, picturing to the reader the disadvantages of not accepting your proposition-is well illustrated in this letter. But to use the negative idea successfully you must provide a connecting link that will join the negative with the positive. The third paragraph of this letter, "Yes, you can lose ordinary knives, etc., etc.," supplies that link, so that now the more direct, positive appeal can be resorted to: "If it strikes you as a good thing, etc., etc." Have you ever thought of that before? Try your hand at it in your next letter. Enclosed with the letter was a card (to be filled out and returned) which would bring complete details, a sample and prices. The Whitehead & Hoag Company kept no record of the actual returns from this letter, but it made good so positively that it has been used a number of times since on other lists."
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Neat letter Skip. That kind of showcases the salesmanship of that era, now it’s all visual tricks and psychological ploys (which this letter does use in an elementary way),but everything feels like a scam now days. We discussed car salesman the other day at the shop, the internet does all the sale, the salesman is the smallest part now days but still gets a huge commission.
C-WADE7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:10 pm
Neat.....
Thank you, Coley.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
This morning, my visit to the post office produced this advertising pocket knife. It now becomes my latest example to be posted under this topic or thread. It also becomes the latest example to be added to my collection. It is a W & H, one blade, one tang stamp, 2 7/32" closed, all metal, advertising, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife. It has the curved or arched style of tang stamp, WITH the USA in the center. The main blade front tang stamp says "THE W & H CO (over) USA (over) NEWARK NJ" The main handle side says "THE DENTISTS' - SUPPLY COMPANY - OF NEW YORK" and has a logo or emblem. The other handle side says nothing, it is blank. This is my first W & H, fob or key ring, pattern or style of pocket knife, that advertises this particular company, business, product, event, etc. The seller of this pocket knife claims, and I have NO reason to doubt him or her, that this pocket knife came from the Whiteley estate. Mr. G.H. Whiteley was one of the founders and was also president of this company. This pocket knife is in VERY GOOD condition. This pocket knife needed very little cleaning. I took some pictures, here it is.
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***** TRIVIA *****
With just a basic Google search, there is much information and many
images to be found regarding THE DENTISTS' SUPPLY COMPANY OF NEW YORK.
Per Wikipedia, and VERY, VERY briefly (NOT the whole article).....
"Dentsply was founded by four New York businessmen in 1899 as Dentists' Supply Company, about the same time it made its first acquisition, a Pennsylvania porcelain teeth manufacturer. One of the four founders, George H. Whiteley became the main operator of the company as a result of his experience as a ceramicist. Whiteley's contributions to the company were invaluable as he was responsible for many innovations such as a patented process involving platinum rings that reduced tooth breakage. Other innovations (credited to doctors like James Williams who were hired by the company for research purposes) included better fitting dentures, tooth size for people of different face shapes and age specific colored teeth."
Attachments
The Main Blade Front Tang Stamp.
Salesman Sample Circa 1910. NOT My Picture. NOT My Item.
Salesman Sample Circa 1910. NOT My Picture. NOT My Item.
NOT My Picture. NOT My Item.
The Postcard Postmark, 1920. NOT My Picture. NOT My Item.
The York Pennsylvania Factory, Circa 1924. NOT My Picture. NOT My Item.
Kid: "Wish we had time to bury them fellas."
Josey Wales: "To hell with them fellas. Buzzards got to eat, same as worms."
Clint Eastwood-The Outlaw Josey Wales
Skip, that's a pretty cool little knife, and the company history is interesting. Sometimes doing research on the companies whose name and/or logo appears on your knives can be a lot of fun!
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