All About Pocket Knives

edge213 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:15 am

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:35 pm RE: post above by "Edge": Rough Rider fixed blades have always ? come from Pakistan. I have never before heard of a RR folder coming from Pakistan and being marked as "Rough Ride" makes me think of it as a fake Rough Rider.
Anyone else here have an RR folder from Pakistan ?
kj

Yes. A few years ago I purchased a RR FB from SMKW. It was made in Pakistan. It was a piece of sh.....
I gave it away.
I seriously doubt anyone is faking RR at this point in time.

My bad on the FB and folder. I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention.
I have never seen a RR folder made in Pakistan only fixed blades.
The Pakistan FBs that I have seen are junk.
Having said that, I still say I seriously doubt anyone is faking RR knives.
The missing "r" is probably just a bad etch and poor QC.

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:35 pm RE: post above by "Edge": Rough Rider fixed blades have always ? come from Pakistan. I have never before heard of a RR folder coming from Pakistan and being marked as "Rough Ride" makes me think of it as a fake Rough Rider.
Anyone else here have an RR folder from Pakistan ?
kj

Here is a post I made on the previous page.

Okay, here is the RR Stag Lockback I received today.
The first thing I noticed was it was advertised by SMKW on their website as a "RYDER" but it came in a "RIDER" box.
The next thing I noticed was the tang stamp has the Rough Rider logo, but the name is spelled "ROUGH RIDE." The picture on their website has that same spelling on it.
On the pile side it's stamped "SURGICAL STEEL PAKISTAN." I was not aware of a factory in Pakistan.
I called SMKW and they confirm that they do have some knives that come from Pakistan and that some of the older boxes could still be used. The misspelling of the name was a surprise and she stated she would insure the owner was made aware of it. She also assured me that if they shipped it that I did not receive a fake. She then offered to replace the knife, but I declined stating that all of them that came from that same Pakistan factory most likely had the same mistake. What happen to "Quality Control?"

David, thanks for re-posting. It helps with the 'story' on the same page. The woman at SMKW on the phone likely does not know what is going on here but something is. Maybe Rough Rider is bringing out a lower line of knives called "Rough Ride" ? Or did buyer for SMKW get 'taken' thinking he was buying Rough Rider knives ? As SMKW owns the Rough Rider brand i doubt a buyer could get deceived.
I am a long time Rough Rider fan (since 2007) and every RR knife i have was made in China and every one is a really good & sharp knife. So i'm very interested to find out what the story is behind "Rough Ride" from Pakistan.
kj

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:40 am David, thanks for re-posting. It helps with the 'story' on the same page. The woman at SMKW on the phone likely does not know what is going on here but something is. Maybe Rough Rider is bringing out a lower line of knives called "Rough Ride" ? Or did buyer for SMKW get 'taken' thinking he was buying Rough Rider knives ? As SMKW owns the Rough Rider brand i doubt a buyer could get deceived.
I am a long time Rough Rider fan (since 2007) and every RR knife i have was made in China and every one is a really good & sharp knife. So i'm very interested to find out what the story is behind "Rough Ride" from Pakistan.
kj

I'm very interested also, that's why I'm going to follow up with a formal letter to them asking for a company explanation. I'm hoping to get a good response that will clear everything up.

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:40 am David, thanks for re-posting. It helps with the 'story' on the same page. The woman at SMKW on the phone likely does not know what is going on here but something is. Maybe Rough Rider is bringing out a lower line of knives called "Rough Ride" ? Or did buyer for SMKW get 'taken' thinking he was buying Rough Rider knives ? As SMKW owns the Rough Rider brand i doubt a buyer could get deceived.
I am a long time Rough Rider fan (since 2007) and every RR knife i have was made in China and every one is a really good & sharp knife. So i'm very interested to find out what the story is behind "Rough Ride" from Pakistan.
kj

Here is the letter I'm sending to SMKW.

The beautiful letter and letterhead is probably worth more than the knife.
Looking forward to see their answer.

David, i hope you get a real answer, not just a generalized marketing B.S. reply.
We need to find out: Are some Rough Rider/Ryder folding knives now being made in Pakistan ?
The RR fixed blades have been made in Pakistan for maybe 10 years now but every folding RR knife i have (few hundred) is marked "China".
kj

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:50 pm [...] We need to find out: Are some Rough Rider/Ryder folding knives now being made in Pakistan ?
The RR fixed blades have been made in Pakistan for maybe 10 years now but every folding RR knife i have (few hundred) is marked "China".
kj

SMKW is selling the Rough Ryder RR1396 stag 4 1/4" lock back for $14.99. It is made in Pakistan. A stag Case Mako style knife priced that low is a good clue. I suggest always reading enough of a retailer's description or scrutinizing their pictures until you learn what country an RR was made in. For at least one Pakistan made RR fixed blade SMKW omitted country of manufacture from their description. The only place Pakistan occurs in their web site page on the knife is Pakistan etched on the blade. However, it's rumored that the factory making most of the RR pocket knives is the most automated pocket knife factory on the planet and it's hard to under price the robots when you're making knives in a cave. Apparently what the Pakistanis can do less expensively than the Chinese is attach stag.

Also Pakistan is known for making these lockback hunter style knives and I remember getting one in the early 80's , there also known for these fancy bolsters as well, I'm not surprised that these are coming out of Pakistan.

Quote Modern Slip Joints: "However, it's rumored that the factory making most of the RR pocket knives is the most automated pocket knife factory on the planet and it's hard to under price the robots".
I think i am the person responsible for this rumor. I posted a few years back that the RR knives are so consistently precise especially the thinly ground ultra sharp blades that i suggested they might be made using laser controlled computerized robotic machines.
Phil Gibbs then commented on this saying that the Chinese factory that made the very precise folders for A G Russell was far from modern and involved hand work by employees that they had to train and supervise closely to get the high standards that A.G. insisted on.
Phil Gibbs was a senior manger at Camillus for many years and after Camillus closed in 2007 he went to work for A.G. Russell. His job was designing knives and then ensuring that they were made to the highest level of workmanship and fit and finish. This involved trips to the factory in China, so he definitely knows what he is talking about.
If the excellent AGR China folders are made using old fashioned equipment, then the same is likely true for the RR folders.
kj

I asked Dan (Old Folder) if he would help me get one of the SMKW's new Rough Ryder knives with VG-10 steel. SMKW does not ship to Canada. I do have a USA shipping address but i cannot access it as the USA/Canada border has been closed since March 2020 due to Covid.
The package arrived yesterday and to my surprise it contained 2 of these new RR folders, one with the blue handle and one with the silver-green handle.
I am super impressed with these knives. The design is excellent, feels natural in hand, blade action is smooth and blade is 100% solid in the open position. The blade is thinly ground and the VG-10 edge is literally hair poppin' sharp. My arm hairs seem to leap away as soon as the blade edge touches their outer surface.
I am a strong believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The couple of hundred traditional style RR knives i have all arrived with very sharp blade edges. Not even one blade was less than very sharp. And i have used a few of them in the garden, etc. and found that these blades edge hold much longer than you would expect.
So i was concerned that a switch to VG-10 steel might result in blades not quite as sharp as they are with the 'regular' steel used for the traditional style RR blades. However there was no need to worry. These VG-10 blades could not be sharper.
These are amazingly good knives yet they cost only $15 each. If you get one you will not regret it, guaranteed.
Thank you Dan for helping me obtain these new RR's and for your generosity of sending me 2 even though i only paid for one.
kj

This ARE very nice looking, KJ. I really like the looks of the blue one.

Thanks LJ. The looks are o.k. I like jigged bone or hardwood but these metal handles keep it slim and easy to pocket. The best things are in hand feel and an ultra-sharp blade that i expect will edge hold very well. It would be hard to find a better slicer pocket knife at any price.
You might find 'equal' but not better. And, this knife costs $15.00 ! With knives, price and quality are very loosely connected.
kj

Love these KJ , not available in the uk sadly , when /if I get one I'm going to do Stag covers on it these look just like the HH slipstream that is S35vn and titanium scales

Paul, that is a fine looking knife. I have not heard of "HH" except as "Helle Hanson" a maker of outdoor winter clothing. I doubt your knife is from the same HH ?
kj

kootenay joe wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:30 pm Paul, that is a fine looking knife. I have not heard of "HH" except as "Helle Hanson" a maker of outdoor winter clothing. I doubt your knife is from the same HH ?
kj

Sorry kj it's a UK company that sells edc and camping gear, it's called Heinnie haynes

Here is a Rough "Rider" I didn't expect to see.
Description on Amazon:
"3 Inches closed. Stainless sheepsfoot blade, can opener, and corkscrew.
Black wood handles with brass spacers. Handle is engraved 'Select Barrel'
on one side."
It's a cool knife, but it's heavy weighting in at 4 oz. and it's
just a hair under 3/4 of an inch wide. Everything other than the handle
is brass and stainless. It's short and fat like me!

That is a very unusual and unique RR, David. I like it.

Ok guys, a little question, why is it sometimes written ROUGH RIDER OR ROUGH RYDER?

zed6309 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:54 pm Ok guys, a little question, why is it sometimes written ROUGH RIDER OR ROUGH RYDER?

I'm betting Dan is the best one to answer that question. He will see this soon.

dlr110 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:38 pm Here is a Rough "Rider" I didn't expect to see.
Description on Amazon:
"3 Inches closed. Stainless sheepsfoot blade, can opener, and corkscrew.
Black wood handles with brass spacers. Handle is engraved 'Select Barrel'
on one side."
It's a cool knife, but it's heavy weighting in at 4 oz. and it's
just a hair under 3/4 of an inch wide. Everything other than the handle
is brass and stainless. It's short and fat like me!

David, don't sell yourself "short"-- you have the body of a god-- Buddha .. (I don't have room to talk )

dlr110 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:25 pm

zed6309 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:54 pm Ok guys, a little question, why is it sometimes written ROUGH RIDER OR ROUGH RYDER?

I'm betting Dan is the best one to answer that question. He will see this soon.

Thanks David.
I'm certainly not "The best one" to answer Pauls above question, however, on January 20, 2019 I posted the below link within our "Rough Rider" forum.
The below aapk link concerns the current discussion.
I still have no official reason for the "Ryder-Rider" name change.
Tomatos or Tomatoes

viewtopic.php?f=79&t=60502

dlr110 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:25 pm

zed6309 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:54 pm Ok guys, a little question, why is it sometimes written ROUGH RIDER OR ROUGH RYDER?

I'm betting Dan is the best one to answer that question. He will see this soon.

The answer is simple. Because they changed it from Rough Ryder to Rough Rider. Why? Therein lies the conundrum. Unless someone here knows the reason, you would have to ask Smokey Mountain Knife Works.

Received this today. Only bought it because of the Wharncliffe blade (and the price was cheap). 3½" like a Mini-Trapper. Looks like a Copperhead on a bowling pin. It is colorful.