Kingston U.S.A. Please post 'em!

[upnorth]

One of our regulars here sent me this knife because it "belongs" with my other Kingston jack.
A generous and thoughtful guy; Thanks!!
I thought I'd take this opportunity to see if there are other Kingstons out there. Albert Baer was quite the entrepreneur, and I suspect the main mover behind this short-lived company. If anyone knows more, please spout off!!
The E.O. is the gift, and the regular Jack is the one it "belongs" with:

[orvet]

Here are a few I have scanned.

Dale

[brady806]

hi dale---those brown handles on the little serp. jack are really good looking. are they cell. or bone?------------see ya,brady

[upnorth]

Phew! Thanks for showing yours Dale! For a while I thought that I was the only one who had any!!
Alright you lazy guys!! Show us your Kingstons!! That is what makes these forums interesting and great!!

[Paul M]

OK Charlie, Here is what maybe a Kingston Cattle Knife. No tang stamps but main blade could of been "ink" stamped like your regular jack.

[orvet]

hi dale---those brown handles on the little serp. jack are really good looking. are they cell. or bone?------------see ya,brady

Hey Brady,
It is hard to tell what the handles of both jacks are made of but given the shrinkage I would say jigged celluloid, or perhaps some early form of plastic.

Dale

[Sauconian]

Phew! For a while I thought that I was the only one who had any!!

That's what I was begining to think too !

I don't have any.

Fran

[jonet143]

i used to have a scout/utility knife by kingston......gone now.

[ea42]

Great Kingstons guys! Say, where the heck is LT? I'll bet he's got a least a couple hundred

Eric

[upnorth]

Yeah!! LT is MIA!!!
Maybe we should send out a search party!!

[orvet]

I talked to LT a few days ago. He is doing fine, but has been real busy of late.

Here is an Kingston Rope knife I have had for a while.
I had to find it so I could scan it.
Too bad someone tried to modify the blade.
I suspect it is circa WWII.

Dale

[LRV]

Here are what I have for catalogs. I have a few knives I'll post later.

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ ... /index.htm

TTYL
Larry

[orvet]

I dug out a couple more Kingston.
The first one with the burgundy and gray celluloid handles is probably the prettiest Kingston I have seen.
The second one (waterfall celluloid?) is nice but the rear scale is missing. It's on my to do list.

I think a lot of the Kingston were made for the military and they didn't make a great many of them after the war as Albert Baer was busy building a knife empire and I believe he decided to push the Schrade Walden name and allow the Kingston name to fade into knife history.

Dale

[Sauconian]

I like the first one Dale.

That belongs in the 'Little Gems' thread as well.

Fran

[upnorth]

Nice to see some more. Thanks guys!
Paul, your 4 blade is probably quite rare, and surely could be a Kingston. Looks like a good one.
Dale, it's amazing what a little fancy cell does for the look of a knife. I see why it was so popular for a while.

[muskrat man]

nice kingstons, I have a few kicking around somehwere, I'll dig around and pic them

[Paul M]

I found another Kingston on Ebay got it for $8.05 with free shipping! Nice little rope knife with great snap.
The other photo is to commemorate that 40 years ago today more than great knives were being made in the area. I was only 10 years old but two of my older cousins went.
They stopped at our house on the way up and back from the festival so I got a poster. It's been with me ever since.
Peace

[ozzie marie]

Here are a few of my Kingstons. The Ulster box is the original box that is marked 1/2 dz. 250S and contained the Kingston model 250 on the right.

Keith

[upnorth]

Nice Kingston, Paul, but stolen!!
And I was there with your cousins!!

Great little group there, Ozzie M, box and all!!!!

[LRV]

Woodstock.
Schrade related? Yes!
The Woodstock poster should have said Wallkill as thats the where it was originally scheduled .
The festival had been planned but got denied at the last moment and Woodstock allowed it. I shoulda been there to celebrate my 18th b-day but as I remember, I had a great time anyways!

The concert was originally scheduled to take place in the 300-acre (1.2 km2) Mills Industrial Park (41°28′39″N 74°21′49″W) in northeast Middletown, Orange County, New York in Wallkill, Orange County, New York which Woodstock Ventures had leased for $100,000 in the Spring of 1969. Town officials were assured that no more than 50,000 would attend. Town residents immediately opposed the project. In early July the Town Board passed a law requiring a permit for any gathering over 5,000 people. On July 15, 1969 the Wallkill Zoning Board of Appeals officially banned the concert on the basis that the planned portable toilets would not meet town code.[13]

[LRV]

Here are 4

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ ... gstons.jpg

[orvet]

OK, this thread is 8 months old and no one has mentioned the obvious, there was in reality two companies who used the Kingston name.

1. KINGSTON USA- c 1915-1958 A trademark used by D. Divine & Ulster.


2. KINGSTON CUTLERY CO.- c 1945-1947 This was an association formed during WII by Ulster (purchased in 1941 by Albert Baer) and Imperial Knife Companies. The name was used through 1958 by Schrade-Walden. Albert Baer was a real entrepreneur and organizer in the cutlery business, especially in this time frame. In January1941 Albert in partner with his brother Henry (Uncle Henry) assumed control of Ulster Knife Co. During WWII Ulster formed a co-operative with Imperial Knife Co. and between the two factories they produced more than half of the knives purchased by the US Armed Forced during WWII.

a. After the WWII, (about 1946)*, a joint company was formed called Kingston Cutlery Company of Walden NY. In 1946 or 1947 this company purchased Schrade Cut Co. and renamed it Schrade-Walden.
*EDIT-12/11/10 Further research has revealed to me that The Kingston Company was formed about 1941 or 1942.

b. In 1947 Kingston was dissolved and Imperial Knife Associated Companies was formed. The Kingston name was used through about 1958.

c. The Ulster name was used until about 1973. At that time the Schrade-Walden tang stamps were changed to Schrade N.Y. USA. About 1985 the name of the Association was changed to Imperial Schrade Corp.



I think most of the knives posted here have been from the later Kingston Cutlery Co., (post 1941) though I imagine the tang stamps are probably similar.

a) Does anyone have some earlier Kingston knives?
b) Can you post some pics?
c) Does anyone know who to tell the difference between knives made by the two different Kingston companies?
d) Does anyone have any Kingstons that just look old and might be from the pre-WWII era?


Surely with over 4,000 members of AAPK, someone has an old Ulster or two in their collection!

Let’s see them!

Dale

Footnote- My source for the above information was “Goins’ Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings”, 1998. To find all the info you have to look up Imperial, Kingston, Schrade and Ulster and compile the data.

[RobesonsRme.com]

August, 1969, I was home on thirty days leave pursuant to going to Viet Nam. Sarah and I married on August 9th. She insisted. "Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all", she said.

I don't think attending Woodstock ever crossed our minds.

I love these Kingstons you all have posted to this thread.

That etched bone handled scout/utility and that red/grey celluloid penknife have got to be the best Kingstons I've ever seen, but bear in mind, I haven't looked at that many, being principally interested in Robeson and Terrier.

This site continues to amaze me. As I stated on a different thread, it's like going to a knife show and finding only great knives on every table.

Charlie Noyes

[ozzie marie]

Here's 2 more Kingston's that I recently acquired

Keith

[orvet]

I am glad you revived this thread Keith!

Here is a minty Kingston I picked up recently.
The blade is highly polished and won't scan for beans. It is etched "Kingston".
Pardon the scratches on my old scanner, I can't find my camera.

Dale