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SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:36 pm
by DR_MAGOO
Let’s try the March 05 posting again with pictures attached. Does this help to identify the knife?
Does anyone have any details on the production quantity of this knife description and/or the year?
Etched on blade is the following:
SCHMIDT & ZEIGLER
STOCK KNIFE "EL TORO"
The pattern is 7043 and the knife is 3 3/4" long.
The knife has 3 blades and ivory handles.
The front shield has the standard upside down bull.
The back shield has the double check mark.
I purchased the knife new in the early to mid 1970's and have misplaced the paperwork that came with it.
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:51 pm
by DR_MAGOO
Can anyone help?
I posted this some time ago and didn't get a response. Thought that I'd try again.
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:54 am
by mumblypeg
Howdy Magoo- My reference books shows the Bull Head logo and El Toro were produced c.1930's. If yours was new in the '70s, it might be a reproduction. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:23 am
by junebug
knife collectors guide 6th ed. ron stewart:
same as mumblys answer but also has : 4" stockman/3 bld/ stockman pat./bone handle/$45
bull brand= $15-$75...........
also:
carl schmidt / germany / $30-$50..............
thats all my books have...................

Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:21 pm
by DR_MAGOO
mumblypeg and junebug,
Thanks for your response.
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:32 pm
by morrisindp44
I would be interested in buying it.
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:07 pm
by Paladin
My experience is that S&Z is a very under-appreciated knife. The ones I have had were well made and had the best edge holding of any I know of. For me to admit that they out cut an old Eye Brand is quite an admission and until I had one in my hands, I refused to believe it.
One of the best edc's I've had.
Ray
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:10 pm
by Jethro Bodine
Hey Magoo, I believe the El Toro was S&Z's version of the premium stock knife. Fairly common knife from the late 60's early 70's, although I've never seen one in ivory. Sold one a few years ago on the bay that had jigged bone handles. Well made knives, & excellent steel as Ray already mentioned.

Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:25 pm
by DR_MAGOO
Thanks everyone for all of the input, sorry it's not for sale. This Ivory handle and a Bone handle were a special limited edition that had a second shield on the pile side that had a double check mark. I have since obtained info stating that these knives were produced around 1972. I will agree with Ray that the edc's that I've owned hold a great edge.
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:29 pm
by Paladin
If I'm not mistaken, all their stag handled knives had a shield on both sides. Not exactly sure why, maybe for engraving initials or such.

Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:38 pm
by DR_MAGOO
Could be, I don't ever recall seeing a stag S&Z. I do have a WELL used one without the upside down bull on the shield.
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:10 pm
by HiPower
i personally sharpened & tested one of these in stock pattern on cutting cardboard & it had the most durable edge i'd ever seen on a pocketknife. even outcut some of the super alloy s30v. another old s& z trapper had the best executed flat gring i had witnessed on a factory folder.--HiPower
Re: SCHMIDT & ZIEGLER (GERMAN BULL) w/PICS
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:00 pm
by DelNich.57
I have a Schmidt and Zeigler Bull Brand knife I'd like more info on please . Pictures to follow. It has the number 322 stamped on back of one blade. Incredibly capable knife to be so small! Thanking you in advance!