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Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:43 pm
by Paladin
I am attaching a photo of this jack knife with spiral punch. Wasn't the spiral punch a product of Camillus?
This knife is stamped LAKESIDE CUTLERY CO. which, according to Goins, is a Montgomery Wards product (1920-1930)
If not made by Camillus then any idea as to which company might have made it?

Ray

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:12 pm
by peanut740
Ray,that looks like a Camillus punch to me.New York Knife also had a spiral punch as well,but it was made different.

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:25 pm
by jerryd6818
I agree, it looks like a Camillus punch.

It's not the definitive end all, be all but all I can tell you is that stamp is not in the Kastor List.

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:03 am
by orvet
Your first instincts were right Ray, I am 99.9% sure it's Camillus made! ::nod::

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:47 am
by knifeaholic
Not only the spiral punch but the basic knife, shield, etc. look like Camillus to me. I think a bit later maybe 30's to 40's. Several manufacturers made knives for M Wards but that is the first that I could see being a Camillus knife. Not totally surprising. Any company that had their knives mad on contract may have had several contract manufacturers going at any give time, some with limited orders to fill in production as needed.

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:54 am
by ScoutKnives
Utica also used a spiral punch blade .

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:59 am
by Paladin
Guys,
Thank you for the comments. I appreciate the info. ::tu::

Ray

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:20 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
That is a nice harness jack. My Ritchie & Stewart 5th edition states: Lakeside Cutlery (Challenge) was a Montgomery Ward brand in the 1920's. Challenge Cutlery Co. Bridgeport, Conn. 1867-1928. Sure looks like other Camillus punches I have seen though.

Re: Did Camillus Really Make This One?

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:06 pm
by OLDE CUTLER
knifeaholic wrote:Not only the spiral punch but the basic knife, shield, etc. look like Camillus to me. I think a bit later maybe 30's to 40's. Several manufacturers made knives for M Wards but that is the first that I could see being a Camillus knife. Not totally surprising. Any company that had their knives mad on contract may have had several contract manufacturers going at any give time, some with limited orders to fill in production as needed.
I will add this to the evidence that different manufacturers made Wards knives. First photo shows a Camillus cattle knife (with broken spiral awl) next to a Wards cattle knife with spiral awl. Second picture shows a Utica knife with awl next to Wards cattle knife, neither of which are spiral. The Wards cattle knife in the first picture has steel bolsters and the second picture Wards cattle knife has nickel silver bolsters. So my thinking is that the spiral punch Wards cattle knife was made by Camillus and the plain punch Wards cattle knife was made by Utica.
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