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Here's another one of these fake Case 25 cent knives. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Case-Circle-C- ... SwdbVbw-PF

An authentic one doesn't have a cap bolster. And this one isn't even Case bone. Seller's knife never saw the inside of a Case factory. And as of now it's up to $300 with 25 bids. Amazing how easily fools are parted from their money.

Ken

Isn't it funny how almost every single "25 cent" knife we've seen for sale online has turned out to be an "across the room" fake?

Seller has one good (but way overpriced) German lockback "utility" knife and a "Marbles" hatchet (I just don't know hatchets but I'm not taking anyone at his word on that one) next to a legit and reasonably-priced Parker one-armed jack (in box) as his only other listings. I almost feel like the other stuff is tainted by the presence of this "Case".

And it fits my theory that most of these seem to come from sellers in Tennessee. When an ad for a fake says "no returns, no refunds", I call "shenanigans!" on that seller.

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:And it fits my theory that most of these seem to come from sellers in Tennessee. When an ad for a fake says "no returns, no refunds", I call "shenanigans!" on that seller.

Not all sellers from Tennessee are unscrupulous fake knife peddling so and so’s.....but it sure does seem that way and I am from Tennessee. It really saddens me.

My theory is that there is a central hub for some of this counterfeit knife activity. Those parts are not easy to find, although if you know the right people no doubt they are out there. A guy from Florida told me he turned down the chance to buy 500 Case counterfeit blades. That is a lot of blades and no doubt they ended up being sold to one person that meted them out. Then the ability to put a knife together in an acceptable, quality like manner isn't available in every zip code. Many, many people can put a knife together. I know a dozen locally, but very few people have the shop equipment to turn out quality work. You can take a file and shave down a spring, but if you have a milling machine you can shave down a spring to a uniform few thousands tolerance. While some fakes are very obvious.A close look at some of these counterfeit knives shows that they aren't being put together under shade trees on a picnic bench. The sad fact is that the few that have the ability to do this kind of quality fake work are ruining the hobby and their time could be spent much better if they were doing legitimate knife repair or building. I can't believe the motive for profit is the driving force, they could make just as much money or more doing more ethical labor. Sad state of affairs.

just bob wrote:My theory is that there is a central hub for some of this counterfeit knife activity. Those parts are not easy to find, although if you know the right people no doubt they are out there. A guy from Florida told me he turned down the chance to buy 500 Case counterfeit blades. That is a lot of blades and no doubt they ended up being sold to one person that meted them out. Then the ability to put a knife together in an acceptable, quality like manner isn't available in every zip code. Many, many people can put a knife together. I know a dozen locally, but very few people have the shop equipment to turn out quality work. You can take a file and shave down a spring, but if you have a milling machine you can shave down a spring to a uniform few thousands tolerance. While some fakes are very obvious.A close look at some of these counterfeit knives shows that they aren't being put together under shade trees on a picnic bench. The sad fact is that the few that have the ability to do this kind of quality fake work are ruining the hobby and their time could be spent much better if they were doing legitimate knife repair or building. I can't believe the motive for profit is the driving force, they could make just as much money or more doing more ethical labor. Sad state of affairs.

Just Bob your comment is right on what a waste

Landersknives wrote:

TwoFlowersLuggage wrote:And it fits my theory that most of these seem to come from sellers in Tennessee. When an ad for a fake says "no returns, no refunds", I call "shenanigans!" on that seller.

Not all sellers from Tennessee are unscrupulous fake knife peddling so and so’s.....but it sure does seem that way and I am from Tennessee. It really saddens me.

Oh, don't misunderstand me! I was not generalizing about sellers from the Volunteer State. A criminal gang that is based in Tennessee does not mean everyone in Tennessee is a criminal! I just find it curious. I'm wondering if it could be something like a group of "Irish Travellers" - aren't they pretty active around Tennessee?

Look at the bidders, all private listed bidders ,bidding in nice $50 dollars increments, the knife and bidders are fake.

Why would somebody put in a fake bid?

Fake bids could be used to suggest people find the knife to be desirable while simultaneously trying to get some real buyer to get it at a higher price.

Toyodajeff wrote:Why would somebody put in a fake bid?

I'll tell you how this works. I used to work with a bunch of gear heads. They would hit the swap meets and flea markets on the weekend and then put the parts they had found on Ebay during the next week. The 4 -5 of them would work together biddding on each others stuff until it was at the profitable level and then wait on a true legitmate bid to win the auction. for example say they found a hub cap for a 1966 Mustang and bought it for $50 they would list it staring with a 99¢ opening bid. Then the 4 - 5 others would take turns bidding running the hub cap up to $65 - $70 then they would just sit and wait until the auction ended hoping they would get a true bid towards the end. If they ended up not selling the item they would pay the fees and take it back to the swap meet the next weekend. They sold a few cars and a lot of parts using this method. I know you'll ask why didn't they just list the item with a reserve and let it go at that. It's very hard to sell things on Ebay at a profitable level at a BIN price. The same knives have been on Ebay well over a year with a BIN price. These crazy auction results you see are the result of 2 -3 people bidding against each other and running the item to an unexpected level in a bidding war. That is what they were trying to generate. It sometimes works.

So if i was intersted in selling fake knives like this one where do i find them? I cant see these guys cobbleing them together in the garage. Bruce

The "from estate sale" and variations of the claim are a red flag for me. A good percentage of these counterfeits are "from a local estate sale". This is a disclaimer of ignorance that unscrupulous sellers believe voids them of any responsibility of selling the fakes.

In addition I always prefer to buy from sellers that offer a return. No returns and keeping auctions private are a hurdle for me. This seller has three hurdles for me to clear (estate sale, no returns, private auction) on any of his sales but this across the room fake takes me out of the race before the start line.

eBay is a safe haven for 100% positive feedback counterfeit knife sellers and inflated price fishing expeditions. eBay is rife with superfluous descriptions to sell the story to the unsuspecting buyers. "Rare" vintage knives that have not been "carried" and knives that are "a great addition to any collection" are in abundance in the waters of the bay. There are many very fine knives for sale on eBay but you have to wade through funk to get to them. Education is the key to finding and buying a good knife in any circumstance.