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Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:11 pm
by JohnR
Picked up this Cut Co stag whittler this week. Cleaned condition with blades slightly down when compared to a Schrade Walden 804. I did come across one that Roger has in the rare Schrade thread, Rogers still has it's etch, "Carpenters Special".
From what I can find these were known as the 4 pattern that later became the 804.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:19 pm
by tongueriver
Nice catch. They did not make many of those in the 'CutCo' years and I have not found a catalog cut for the stag version. Here is what I did find.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:35 pm
by orvet
That is a great catch!
I have not seen one in stag before.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:39 pm
by RalphAlsip
Beautiful knife with exquisite stag.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:10 pm
by FRJ
A beautiful Cut Co, John and great photos.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:11 pm
by Dinadan
Wow, John. Very nice find. I was not aware that a stag version existed. And that peach seed you used for comparison ain't half bad, either!!
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:14 pm
by doglegg
JohnR, a most excellent pick up.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:33 am
by black mamba
Beautiful, John! By the time they became the 8041 Heritage whittler in the mid 1980s, they dropped the saber clip in favor of a full flat grind.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:41 am
by tongueriver
black mamba wrote:Beautiful, John! By the time they became the 8041 Heritage whittler in the mid 1980s, they dropped the saber clip in favor of a full flat grind.
I have handled 804s made before the 80's that had a flat grind. Craftsmans for one example.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:28 am
by peanut740
John that is nice!
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:18 am
by Duffer
Wonderful John
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:44 pm
by black mamba
Cal is right about the grinds. I've seen Waldens with the saber clip, and others with the flat grind clip. If the catalog cuts are accurate, the last year for the saber grind was 1971.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:40 pm
by JohnR
Thank you all for the comments and thank you Cal for the catalog scan. Wish it was a little easier to find vintage American made knives in stag, plenty of English companies used stag but American knives are fairly scarce.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:19 pm
by orvet
black mamba wrote:Cal is right about the grinds. I've seen Waldens with the saber clip, and others with the flat grind clip. If the catalog cuts are accurate, the last year for the saber grind was 1971.
As far as the catalog accuracy goes, I don't believe the pictures nor the descriptions unless I have verified them myself and even then I am sceptical. One of the fillet knives grew and shrank over the years if one belives the catalogs. There are many examples of Schrade catalog inaccuracies.
Schrade was in business to make knives, catalogs seem to have been an afterthought.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:23 pm
by Hak1911
I am not a learned individual catalog wise but my gut says that’s bone and not stag
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:41 pm
by tongueriver
I have a knife just like the OP knife, and after careful examination under good light a few minutes ago I still believe that it is stag, not bone. The dye is uneven and blotchy in places and looks just like the OP handles. One myth in common circulation is that stag does not show the Halversian canals that we see in bone. This is incorrect; they had to be there to nourish the antler when it was growing. They are not easily seen in the best quality stag, but I have seen a number of examples where they can be easily seen. In addition, I believe that some Schrade CutCo knives were advertised as having genuine buck horn handles. I think that they may not have always been Sambar antler. I am going with stag on both knives.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:02 pm
by JohnR
tongueriver wrote:I have a knife just like the OP knife, and after careful examination under good light a few minutes ago I still believe that it is stag, not bone. The dye is uneven and blotchy in places and looks just like the OP handles. One myth in common circulation is that stag does not show the Halversian canals that we see in bone. This is incorrect; they had to be there to nourish the antler when it was growing. They are not easily seen in the best quality stag, but I have seen a number of examples where they can be easily seen. In addition, I believe that some Schrade CutCo knives were advertised as having genuine buck horn handles. I think that they may not have always been Sambar antler. I am going with stag on both knives.whit2.jpgwhit3.jpgwhit5.jpgwhit6.jpgwhit7.jpg
Cal, I believe that is stag also and nicely matched, very nice knife that has not been cleaned like mine. That makes 3 that I know of, were these ever a catalog item?
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:09 pm
by tongueriver
JohnR wrote: ...were these ever a catalog item?
I have not found them in the catalogs in stag. My example appears to have hammered pins, or at least not elegantly spun, as I would have expected in a latter-day knife.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:06 am
by RalphAlsip
Tongueriver, your Schrade Cut Co whittler is fantastic.
it looks like old stag to me.
Re: Schrade Cut Co Stag Whittler
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:33 am
by Hak1911
It’s a beautiful example no matter the handle material. If you don’t want it cause of the mystery.... I’ll take it.